How to play a simple game with friends
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How to play a simple game with friends
Hello everybody, my partner and I were trying to start a game together, but unfortunately we couldn't. Neither is able to host a game by having the other see that server in its list.
We both have Arch Linux, we both installed both minetest and minetest-server (this is to test if it worked).
We have followed these very simple steps, but sometimes it seems that the seemingly easier things are the hardest ones.
However, we both manage to enter without problems in any of the list of servers present in the game.
I state that we have also tried disabling both our firewall and that we are both connected to the Internet through the respective smartphone of each, not through a modem/router: could this be the problem? Is it necessary to forward the relative port also to create a "simple" server?
What are we doing wrong?
I conclude that for now we would just like to have a quiet game, we don't have the need to host a dedicated server yet.
Thank you to all!
We both have Arch Linux, we both installed both minetest and minetest-server (this is to test if it worked).
We have followed these very simple steps, but sometimes it seems that the seemingly easier things are the hardest ones.
However, we both manage to enter without problems in any of the list of servers present in the game.
I state that we have also tried disabling both our firewall and that we are both connected to the Internet through the respective smartphone of each, not through a modem/router: could this be the problem? Is it necessary to forward the relative port also to create a "simple" server?
What are we doing wrong?
I conclude that for now we would just like to have a quiet game, we don't have the need to host a dedicated server yet.
Thank you to all!
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
are you on the same network ? in house ?
* if yes, the address might be very similar, and when start the server in terminal, you will get an answer what ip+port is used
* firewall ? of the mt-server PC, let the other PC get in from that other PC IP, or to that server PC IP-Port.
if both in other locations, mean connection over internet,
* the router of the server-PC hosting, need to know that incoming PORT have to be forwarded to that IP and port of the mt-server PC IP
* and again, the mt-server PC should have 'hole' in firewall to allow, maybe
* if yes, the address might be very similar, and when start the server in terminal, you will get an answer what ip+port is used
* firewall ? of the mt-server PC, let the other PC get in from that other PC IP, or to that server PC IP-Port.
if both in other locations, mean connection over internet,
* the router of the server-PC hosting, need to know that incoming PORT have to be forwarded to that IP and port of the mt-server PC IP
* and again, the mt-server PC should have 'hole' in firewall to allow, maybe
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
We are in the same house, but since our location does not have an ADSL connection, we use our respective smartphones to connect to the Internet (Wi-Fi hotspot).Festus1965 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 05:54are you on the same network ? in house ?
* if yes, the address might be very similar, and when start the server in terminal, you will get an answer what ip+port is used
* firewall ? of the mt-server PC, let the other PC get in from that other PC IP, or to that server PC IP-Port.
if both in other locations, mean connection over internet,
* the router of the server-PC hosting, need to know that incoming PORT have to be forwarded to that IP and port of the mt-server PC IP
* and again, the mt-server PC should have 'hole' in firewall to allow, maybe
So isn't it possible to host a game simply via the game settings that are also seen in that video? Do I have to act via terminal and provide conf files, etc?
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
Same house, same Router to login, mean local Wifi, and not ! via G3, G4 or G5 ?BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 06:06We are in the same house, but since our location does not have an ADSL connection, we use our respective smartphones to connect to the Internet (Wi-Fi hotspot).
So isn't it possible to host a game simply via the game settings that are also seen in that video? Do I have to act via terminal and provide conf files, etc?
moment, server+client and other client are running on a PC with Arch Linux,
but instead of connection this both PC with a Lan cable (direct , mmm --- OR 2 cable via a switch, or at that router ?)
you use at each PC the shared internet from the phone ?
mean
server PC --> phone --> wifi/hotspot router --> phone --> client PC ?
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
Thank you for your answers Festus, but forgive me: I'm not following you :(Festus1965 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 06:22Same house, same Router to login, mean local Wifi, and not ! via G3, G4 or G5 ?BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 06:06We are in the same house, but since our location does not have an ADSL connection, we use our respective smartphones to connect to the Internet (Wi-Fi hotspot).
So isn't it possible to host a game simply via the game settings that are also seen in that video? Do I have to act via terminal and provide conf files, etc?
moment, server+client and other client are running on a PC with Arch Linux,
but instead of connection this both PC with a Lan cable (direct , mmm --- OR 2 cable via a switch, or at that router ?)
you use at each PC the shared internet from the phone ?
mean
server PC --> phone --> wifi/hotspot router --> phone --> client PC ?
So, each of us has our own laptop.
Each of us connects from own laptop to own smartphone (Wi-Fi hotspot) in order to access the Internet. Our smartphones connect to the Internet via 3G / 5G, now I don't remember...
In our house we do not have a modem or a router because the Internet does not arrive where we are, neither in the form of ADSL nor fiber.
I read in the Minetest wiki that if you simply want to play a game with someone, just host the aforementioned game by clicking on Host Server + Announce Server, and that instead hosting your own dedicated server is one more thing that we are not interested in for now. Is it possible, in our case and with our means, to play together in one of our games (therefore without entering someone else's public server)?
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
As using the smartphones via Gx, then the IP in internet of the phone at the mt-server PC might be the one, that should be used at the client PC to try to connect,
BUT I don't think, that service will allow a port like this, and the phone at the mt-server might not know to forward a request to port 30000, what to do.
For a local game, you don't need a internet,
try just a crossover (if still needed) LAN cable to connect both laptop direct with the ARJ port,
maybe it will work only with a cheap repeater or switch (5 port), or even can use a router NOT connected to internet, that offers at most 4 ARJ Lan ports and act like a switch.
but over the phones, I guess to difficult as of the port forwarding.
BUT I don't think, that service will allow a port like this, and the phone at the mt-server might not know to forward a request to port 30000, what to do.
For a local game, you don't need a internet,
try just a crossover (if still needed) LAN cable to connect both laptop direct with the ARJ port,
maybe it will work only with a cheap repeater or switch (5 port), or even can use a router NOT connected to internet, that offers at most 4 ARJ Lan ports and act like a switch.
but over the phones, I guess to difficult as of the port forwarding.
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
Oh guy, thank you for your answer!Festus1965 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:11As using the smartphones via Gx, then the IP in internet of the phone at the mt-server PC might be the one, that should be used at the client PC to try to connect,
BUT I don't think, that service will allow a port like this, and the phone at the mt-server might not know to forward a request to port 30000, what to do.
For a local game, you don't need a internet,
try just a crossover (if still needed) LAN cable to connect both laptop direct with the ARJ port,
maybe it will work only with a cheap repeater or switch (5 port), or even can use a router NOT connected to internet, that offers at most 4 ARJ Lan ports and act like a switch.
but over the phones, I guess to difficult as of the port forwarding.
Now I can't try, but you think it can't work with just connecting via LAN cable? Do I necessarily also need a switch or maybe an offline router?
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
IF your with an ISP then you can totally do this without additional networking equipment like a switch.BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:33Oh guy, thank you for your answer!Festus1965 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:11As using the smartphones via Gx, then the IP in internet of the phone at the mt-server PC might be the one, that should be used at the client PC to try to connect,
BUT I don't think, that service will allow a port like this, and the phone at the mt-server might not know to forward a request to port 30000, what to do.
For a local game, you don't need a internet,
try just a crossover (if still needed) LAN cable to connect both laptop direct with the ARJ port,
maybe it will work only with a cheap repeater or switch (5 port), or even can use a router NOT connected to internet, that offers at most 4 ARJ Lan ports and act like a switch.
but over the phones, I guess to difficult as of the port forwarding.
Now I can't try, but you think it can't work with just connecting via LAN cable? Do I necessarily also need a switch or maybe an offline router?
To do this, just look at the back of your ISP provided modern and there should be the data cable "Feeding into it", above/next to it should be at least 4 RJ45 (Ethernet) ports.
Hence you can connect up to 4 devices to your ISP provided modem without running out and buying a switch. Provided you got the Ethernet cables of course.
If not they are stupid cheap for 100Mbps/1Gbps or even 10Gbps ones. I got a 15FT 10Gbps for like 18 bucks lol.
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
No sorry, I meant LAN cable plugged directly from the first laptop to the second laptop, without a modem/router...Mineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:38IF your with an ISP then you can totally do this without additional networking equipment like a switch.BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:33Oh guy, thank you for your answer!Festus1965 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:11As using the smartphones via Gx, then the IP in internet of the phone at the mt-server PC might be the one, that should be used at the client PC to try to connect,
BUT I don't think, that service will allow a port like this, and the phone at the mt-server might not know to forward a request to port 30000, what to do.
For a local game, you don't need a internet,
try just a crossover (if still needed) LAN cable to connect both laptop direct with the ARJ port,
maybe it will work only with a cheap repeater or switch (5 port), or even can use a router NOT connected to internet, that offers at most 4 ARJ Lan ports and act like a switch.
but over the phones, I guess to difficult as of the port forwarding.
Now I can't try, but you think it can't work with just connecting via LAN cable? Do I necessarily also need a switch or maybe an offline router?
To do this, just look at the back of your ISP provided modern and there should be the data cable "Feeding into it", above/next to it should be at least 4 RJ45 (Ethernet) ports.
Hence you can connect up to 4 devices to your ISP provided modem without running out and buying a switch. Provided you got the Ethernet cables of course.
If not they are stupid cheap for 100Mbps/1Gbps or even 10Gbps ones. I got a 15FT 10Gbps for like 18 bucks lol.
Unfortunately, we do not have a modem or a router precisely because the Internet does not arrive here.
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:27No sorry, I meant LAN cable plugged directly from the first laptop to the second laptop, without a modem/router...Mineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:38IF your with an ISP then you can totally do this without additional networking equipment like a switch.BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:33
Oh guy, thank you for your answer!
Now I can't try, but you think it can't work with just connecting via LAN cable? Do I necessarily also need a switch or maybe an offline router?
To do this, just look at the back of your ISP provided modern and there should be the data cable "Feeding into it", above/next to it should be at least 4 RJ45 (Ethernet) ports.
Hence you can connect up to 4 devices to your ISP provided modem without running out and buying a switch. Provided you got the Ethernet cables of course.
If not they are stupid cheap for 100Mbps/1Gbps or even 10Gbps ones. I got a 15FT 10Gbps for like 18 bucks lol.
Unfortunately, we do not have a modem or a router precisely because the Internet does not arrive here.
Ah I see, then yea you will need this sort of setup...
Laptop1>Switch>Other devices
You can pick up a decent unit for $20 or less these days and if you can get one already used so you are easing the supply chain a tab.
If you don't live anywhere near a Electronic Thrift Store than online like E-Bay are good places to pick up second hand electronics.
Re: How to play a simple game with friends
That is indeed possible. Plug in the cable in both laptops, then for configuration it depends. If your desktop environment offers (somewhat) advanced options for network configuration, you should be able to choose "shared wired Ethernet" or some-such. This device will then act as a router with a DHCP server. The other laptop, if configured as a DHCP client (probably by default), will also set up an IP address in the same network and they should be able to reach each other. If the first laptop has an internet connection through your phone it will be forwarded to the other but you don't need this to play Minetest together....LAN cable plugged directly from the first laptop to the second laptop, without a modem/router...
Does this help?
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
I get it, thank you infinitely for your help!Mineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:40BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:27No sorry, I meant LAN cable plugged directly from the first laptop to the second laptop, without a modem/router...Mineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 13:38
IF your with an ISP then you can totally do this without additional networking equipment like a switch.
To do this, just look at the back of your ISP provided modern and there should be the data cable "Feeding into it", above/next to it should be at least 4 RJ45 (Ethernet) ports.
Hence you can connect up to 4 devices to your ISP provided modem without running out and buying a switch. Provided you got the Ethernet cables of course.
If not they are stupid cheap for 100Mbps/1Gbps or even 10Gbps ones. I got a 15FT 10Gbps for like 18 bucks lol.
Unfortunately, we do not have a modem or a router precisely because the Internet does not arrive here.
Ah I see, then yea you will need this sort of setup...
Laptop1>Switch>Other devices
You can pick up a decent unit for $20 or less these days and if you can get one already used so you are easing the supply chain a tab.
If you don't live anywhere near a Electronic Thrift Store than online like E-Bay are good places to pick up second hand electronics.
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
Awww you are always very welcome! :)BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 16:07I get it, thank you infinitely for your help!Mineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:40BloccoDiTerra wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:27
No sorry, I meant LAN cable plugged directly from the first laptop to the second laptop, without a modem/router...
Unfortunately, we do not have a modem or a router precisely because the Internet does not arrive here.
Ah I see, then yea you will need this sort of setup...
Laptop1>Switch>Other devices
You can pick up a decent unit for $20 or less these days and if you can get one already used so you are easing the supply chain a tab.
If you don't live anywhere near a Electronic Thrift Store than online like E-Bay are good places to pick up second hand electronics.
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Re: How to play a simple game with friends
It should be possible to direct connectMineminer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 14:40Ah I see, then yea you will need this sort of setup...
Laptop1>Switch>Other devices
You can pick up a decent unit for $20 or less these days and if you can get one already used so you are easing the supply chain a tab.
If you don't live anywhere near a Electronic Thrift Store than online like E-Bay are good places to pick up second hand electronics.
laptop1 - cable - laptop2
maybe, if older need a old special cross connect cable
OR
just look for an used, or cheap used router or just a switch
then connect with 2 cable
laptop1 - cable - router or switch - cable - laptop2
in both cases check out the IP4 address or each laptop
and then use terminal and ping the IP addresses
* from laptop1 "ping IP" from laptop2 as 'ping 102.168.1.x" in most
* from laptop2 "ping IP" from laptop1
optimal both ping should return a response, NO lost
until her, and tell how it works, if ping works, as both laptop are in same segment, then also the client can connect to the mt-server
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