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Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 23:43
by Stix
Sheriff wrote:
PolySaken wrote:I call bull on that.
You can't never have attacked first.


I've attacked and killed plenty, but never as the initial aggressor--always in defense or to get my stuff back or the stuff of someone else who wasn't an initial aggressor.

If that's hard for you to believe, perhaps it's because you're an aggressor yourself and can't understand someone who isn't.

In my experience, those who initiate aggression are the most prone to go whining to the admin when someone does to them what they have been doing to others.


Killing ppl, especially since i was attacked first, is a far-cry from hacking ppls acount and practically black-mailing them trying to make them pay resources just to get their account back.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 00:06
by Lone_Wolf
Let's move the argument somewhere else. It doesn't even seem to be an intelligent one anymore

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 03:15
by PolySaken
Lone_Wolf wrote:Let's move the argument somewhere else. It doesn't even seem to be an intelligent one anymore

true that.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 03:16
by PolySaken
Lone_Wolf wrote:Let's move the argument somewhere else. It doesn't even seem to be an intelligent one anymore

let's maybe just...
Stop arguing?

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 18:10
by lightseer
I'm surprised that its possible to steal an account, but I don't know how the password protection works on minetest. Usually passwords are stored in an encrypted format on a server, not in plaintext, and the client should only transmit them on an encrypted channel and only in that same encrypted format. Even the admins should not be able to read what the password is. You encrypt it, send it to the server, then the server only stores it in its encrypted form. Then every time you log in you type the password, your client encrypts your words and sends the encrypted password to the server over an encrypted channel. The server compares the two encrypted copies before logging you in. Is this not how its done here?

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 18:13
by rubenwardy
Hash, not encrypted. And yes, although Minetest uses SRP which is supposedly better than sending a hash.
However, to login to the bot on IRC you need to send your password in plaintext, as there's no other way.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 19:08
by ADM17
Its kind a annoying to have all those buildings over the streets, especially at spawn.
Could you protect them higher to prevent buildings above the street?

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Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 20:49
by Lone_Wolf
lightseer wrote:I'm surprised that its possible to steal an account, but I don't know how the password protection works on minetest. Usually passwords are stored in an encrypted format on a server, not in plaintext, and the client should only transmit them on an encrypted channel and only in that same encrypted format. Even the admins should not be able to read what the password is. You encrypt it, send it to the server, then the server only stores it in its encrypted form. Then every time you log in you type the password, your client encrypts your words and sends the encrypted password to the server over an encrypted channel. The server compares the two encrypted copies before logging you in. Is this not how its done here?

The accounts that get stolen are usually owned by players who like to tell their passwords to 'friends' or players that use passwords like 1234
I've seen both types before...

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 00:20
by lightseer
Thanks for the information, rubenwardly, Lone_Wolf.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 05:58
by bosapara
ADM17 wrote:Its kind a annoying to have all those buildings over the streets, especially at spawn.
Could you protect them higher to prevent buildings above the street?


Already offered the same thing when pace built above ufa building.

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Sakel, so lets add to rules this restriction: "it is forbidden to build above protects on the ground"?
A simple rule that will solve 99% of disputes of building in the future

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 07:15
by ADM17
bosapara wrote:Sakel, so lets add to rules this restriction: "it is forbidden to build above protects on the ground"?
A simple rule that will solve 99% of disputes of building in the future


I totally agree with you, this would prevent damage by this for other players too.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 16:11
by Sheriff
ADM17 wrote:
bosapara wrote:Sakel, so lets add to rules this restriction: "it is forbidden to build above protects on the ground"? A simple rule that will solve 99% of disputes of building in the future


I totally agree with you, this would prevent damage by this for other players too.


I personally don't think it's a big deal. Kind of reminds me of Blade Runner and Coruscant.

However, if I remember right, there has been a rule against it on this server forever, but it isn't really being enforced.

What I think would be cool is an additional protection-block mod that lets you craft a more expensive protection block that extends up to infinity and can not be placed any deeper than -50 or so. All of the protections around spawn could then be converted to this type, and if anyone complains about someone else building over them, everyone can just tell them, "That's what you get for using cheap protection." :)

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 16:27
by Sheriff
Lone_Wolf wrote:The accounts that get stolen are usually owned by players who like to tell their passwords to 'friends' or players that use passwords like 1234
I've seen both types before...


It's also possible to create accounts with no password on this server. I've seen a lot of people complain about someone hacking their account, but then when they're asked whether they had a password, they're like, "Well...um....no."

Also, there's a new mod on the server that resets your account back to new (and causes you to lose all of your inventory), if you don't "solidify" it, by logging out at least once, with at least one stick and one steel ingot in your inventory. Fortunately, accounts that already existed before this mod was added were grandfathered in. Otherwise, there would've been a wave of mass hysteria when it was added. :)

Re: [Server] SaKeL World

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 19:16
by Sheriff
SaKeL wrote:NEW
Added Mumble on the server ;)

Mumble Server
Address: 85.214.208.91
Port: 64738


Is Mumble no longer available on this server? I tried 192.187.97.34:64738 but couldn't connect.

Re: [Server] SaKeL World

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 20:21
by PolySaken
Sheriff wrote:
SaKeL wrote:NEW
Added Mumble on the server ;)

Mumble Server
Address: 85.214.208.91
Port: 64738


Is Mumble no longer available on this server? I tried 192.187.97.34:64738 but couldn't connect.


it's 85.214.208.91:64738 not 192.187.97.34:64738

Re: [Server] SaKeL World

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 22:18
by Sheriff
PolySaken wrote:it's 85.214.208.91:64738 not 192.187.97.34:64738


I tried that one before I tried the 192.* address and couldn't connect to it either. Does that one work for you?

Re: [Server] SaKeL World

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 02:13
by PolySaken
Sheriff wrote:
PolySaken wrote:it's 85.214.208.91:64738 not 192.187.97.34:64738


I tried that one before I tried the 192.* address and couldn't connect to it either. Does that one work for you?


not anymore (-_-)

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 19:06
by smeagol
can we VOTE on removing all Span Balls and Bows until kill detection works in spawn, so many people killing novice players and taking their stuff where they can't even defend themselves. Or, why not prevent dying on walkable nodes (rail, flowers, ladders). Not that hard to search for closest "air" node on death. both Sceleton and javier557 are on there now, just killing everyone and hoping they will drop their stuff.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 20:56
by Sheriff
smeagol wrote:can we VOTE on removing all Span Balls and Bows until kill detection works in spawn, so many people killing novice players and taking their stuff where they can't even defend themselves. Or, why not prevent dying on walkable nodes (rail, flowers, ladders). Not that hard to search for closest "air" node on death. both Sceleton and javier557 are on there now, just killing everyone and hoping they will drop their stuff.


I would vote against that. My friends and I enjoy punishing bullies, so they're already being dealt with whenever any of us is on. If we programmatically block bullying too much (like has been done on Legends of Survival), it will feel like a CREATIVE server, and a lot of people who prefer the challenge of a survival server will leave.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 21:09
by Lone_Wolf
Sheriff wrote:
smeagol wrote:can we VOTE on removing all Span Balls and Bows until kill detection works in spawn, so many people killing novice players and taking their stuff where they can't even defend themselves. Or, why not prevent dying on walkable nodes (rail, flowers, ladders). Not that hard to search for closest "air" node on death. both Sceleton and javier557 are on there now, just killing everyone and hoping they will drop their stuff.


I would vote against that. My friends and I enjoy punishing bullies, so they're already being dealt with whenever any of us is on. If we programmatically block bullying too much (like has been done on Legends of Survival), it will feel like a CREATIVE server, and a lot of people who prefer the challenge of a survival server will leave.

smeagol wrote:... until kill detection works in spawn ...

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 02:51
by wander
Hi i have been playing on this server for quite some time and i recently haven't been able to login due to a timeout error can anyone offer some advice im on windows 10 with a intel core i3 4030u at 1.9ghz 4gb of ram and 500gb hard drive i dont think its the hard where but im no networking guru or anything but any help would be appreciated thank you ~wander

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:02
by bosapara
Sakel, how about to fix all this grief (imho) actions?

Water/sand on the rails, buildings that built above another buildings or farms, building above rails way and etc


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Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:10
by lightseer
wander wrote:Hi i have been playing on this server for quite some time and i recently haven't been able to login due to a timeout error can anyone offer some advice im on windows 10 with a intel core i3 4030u at 1.9ghz 4gb of ram and 500gb hard drive i dont think its the hard where but im no networking guru or anything but any help would be appreciated thank you ~wander

Try other servers to see if you are having the same problem. Try logging in at different times of day. Try logging in under a different account name. Try it at another map location, such as far away from other players and away from machines. These are some simple things you can do that may help you find out where problems happen. It could be caused by almost anything from a mod interaction to a network problem to a server problem. I am having some similar problems but can't troubleshoot them as I do not have time to try things out right now.

Re: [Server] Survival X

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 08:42
by qwerasd333
aaaaand the spawn is griefed...

FlitzPiepe built this structure above spawn, if his machines work i guess he can also remove it

or maybe Admin or mod can take them over, reverse direction and remove water

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Water fall

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:03
by m8ii
Water fall around spawn.
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