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by rarkenin » Post

cactuz_pl wrote:I think bots is great idea, but what these bots will able to do? (except digging and placing blocks)

I don't think we need such on server. Greifers could use it to digging everything what isn't protected, or killing random players.
The real purpose is road-building, and helping build large structures from inputs such as CAD. Also, the bots are already on GitHub, so unfortunately, I now have to figure out a method of enforcement.
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rarkenin wrote:Cactuz_pl: I recently inquired about bots, and Foobar said he was OK with deploying them by September, but he told me to consult you first, so could you please explain whether you will allow or disallow them? These are the bots in question.
I can't decide, this is redcrab's server.

My opinion:
-Bots shouldn’t be able to attack.
-There should be some kind of mod which allows connect bot-cilients, so admin can decide.
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by rarkenin » Post

cactuz_pl wrote:I can't decide, this is redcrab's server.
Bots do not have the ability to send punches to entities.

As for the second, anyone can just take that bit out of the source, but I think that it should wither require that running /botsallowed gives an infostring(Ill work on that), or the MOTD gives an infostring.
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rarkenin wrote: The real purpose is road-building, and helping build large structures from inputs such as CAD.
There are some players that are excellent roadbuilders. Some of them are not so good as builders of more house-like structures, so taking that away and giving it to a bot might not always be such a good idea. Importing large buildings is certainly intresting. Only..it makes a huge difference if a building was erected block by block, done with worldedit-like commands or simply imported from someone elses blueprints. The amount of work needed is vastly different. As is the load for the server.

What about griefing by accident? It is hard enough to keep my random_buildings from destroying other things (they check the area where they want to appear first and give up if supposedly "non-natural" blocks are found). Protection isn't the solution since not all areas are protected. Players are usually intelligent enough to see if anything *might* have been built by another player. An algorithm would have a hard time finding that out.

Human players have to be able to identify bots easily (perhaps with a nametag or a command), each bot needs a player who owns him, and the player is to be held fully responsible for the actions of his bot - it is as if the player did it himshelf.

While the idea of bots is very intresting, I don't think Redcrabs server is the right place for them. Please deploy them first on a server where the server owner can actually be reached and intervene in case something goes wrong.

A question aside: How did you implement the building of large structures? Without fly and noclip, that might be difficult. I'm searching for a build-algorithm that is better than the one found in towntest.
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Sokomine wrote: A question aside: How did you implement the building of large structures? Without fly and noclip, that might be difficult. I'm searching for a build-algorithm that is better than the one found in towntest.
It's actually based on the principle of the operation of a 3d printer. It has trouble bridging certain gaps and uses strategies such as overbuilding. It builds layers up in a staircase like pattern os it can jump up and covers overhngs using its built in equivalent of sneaking just over an edge.
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@rarkenin: Sounds very intresting! Can you feed worldedit blueprints to it already? And is the algorithm fast enough to be used server-side in lua?
@rest: Sorry for the off-topic.
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Sokomine wrote:@rarkenin: Sounds very intresting! Can you feed worldedit blueprints to it already? And is the algorithm fast enough to be used server-side in lua?
@rest: Sorry for the off-topic.
No, it takes its own blueprints, and is painfully annoying. But I can provide pseudocode when I have time. It also doesn't work perfectly and sometimes violates physics.
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Would anyone be willing to create a new city with me?
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can i please have this area protected under whiteboyswag -248,11,1792 -259,22,1801
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BAGPIPE wrote:Can I have 880,0,268 to 782,100,428 protected under BAGPIPE It will be my 2nd protection. I'm building my own privet city here. So far I have one building and the roads built. Thanks
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With Sokomine's travelnet mod, there would be no additional load on the map generator, because you have to place a receiver box at every region you'd routinely want to teleport to, hence you have to explore to that area first anyway.
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by KoalaBear » Post

Bots have trouble written all over them...
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by rarkenin » Post

KoalaBear wrote:Bots have trouble written all over them...
Can you be more specific? I'm trying to incorporate safeguards.
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Sokomine wrote:
rarkenin wrote: The real purpose is road-building, and helping build large structures from inputs such as CAD.
...
A question aside: How did you implement the building of large structures? Without fly and noclip, that might be difficult. I'm searching for a build-algorithm that is better than the one found in towntest.
The codes that do fly and noclip are client side, not server side.
You can override them by replacing the check privilages line in the core with true.

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bool can_fly = true; //gamedef->checkLocalPrivilege("fly");
So this means that the problem is not whether they have fly privs, but if the programmer wants to make them legit builders or not.

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rubenwardy wrote:Note: Drugs are bad. Hacked clients are bad.
You do realize that one of this server's more respected members openly uses a hacked client, right? I won't say who, in case they aren't as open about it as I think they are, but I think Redcrab knows. I doubt this server has a problem with hacked clients.

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0gb.us wrote:
rubenwardy wrote:Note: Drugs are bad. Hacked clients are bad.
You do realize that one of this server's more respected members openly uses a hacked client, right?
Wow, I am surprised.
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Isn't the purpose of Minetest is to build and create things, not have things built for you?
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by cactuz_pl » Post

Sorry but you should talk about bot-client here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4964 Please.
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cactuz_pl wrote:Sorry but you should talk about bot-client here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4964 Please.
Yeah, please move all discussion to that thread as I am subscribed to it. This is really more for this server. And yes, the server has very weak physics. Gravity is weakened slightly, but there is no outright fly and no noclip at all.

Anyway, I also plan to use it for mining if that is OK.
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by KoalaBear » Post

rubenwardy wrote:
0gb.us wrote:
rubenwardy wrote:Note: Drugs are bad. Hacked clients are bad.
You do realize that one of this server's more respected members openly uses a hacked client, right?
Wow, I am surprised.
You seriously didnt know this?
Yolo :)

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Is anyone interested in creating an arena for a minetest version of the Walls?
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Built a Nyan cat at -1123,35,-1058 (Noogah's town)

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KoalaBear wrote:
rubenwardy wrote:
0gb.us wrote:
You do realize that one of this server's more respected members openly uses a hacked client, right?
Wow, I am surprised.
You seriously didnt know this?
I don't particularly go around player's houses to check if their computer uses a hacked client...

Is it AspireMint?
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by cactuz_pl » Post

rubenwardy wrote:Is it AspireMint?
No, not AM, but I have hacked client too.

I changed source code (with help, I'm programming noob), now I can see others cords and how far they are from me.

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I think that hacking is not bad as long as we do not do the harm to others.

Btw: That was one of my first mod ideas. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2324
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Nope

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KoalaBear wrote:
rubenwardy wrote:
0gb.us wrote:
You do realize that one of this server's more respected members openly uses a hacked client, right?
Wow, I am surprised.
You seriously didnt know this?
Um, HOW can I find this out?!

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