Minetesthosting is a Joke? Any REAL GSPs that offer hosting?

[sofar]

Unbelievable... Guess what my provider just told me about insane RAM increase with ZERO instances or any other games running? That I could just "stop MySQL because it won't break the game".

I'm curious. Either this is a really bad provider or you don't understand what they're saying. What exactly did they say? Are you running a stock distribution with lots of base services running? Are you hosting a server which uses mysql or postgres as a backend? Did they send some suggestions or did they demand you make changes?

[Mineminer]

There is just Multicraft plus the OS that using the database but it supposed to ONLY use it when logging in and needing logged in user data. Because that all it does with the MySQL data base.

There is ZERO running instances and just to add to the matter when I showed them usages they said it "only using 145MB".

In fact I will add the metering to show you what I means.

Notice in the RAM "spikage" that the server been using a constant ~2GB then spiked up to a constant ~3GB? No environmental changes had been made between the two. I will even add the loads to show that nothing else is really going on.

[Mineminer]

Unbelievable... Guess what my provider just told me about insane RAM increase with ZERO instances or any other games running? That I could just "stop MySQL because it won't break the game".

I'm curious. Either this is a really bad provider or you don't understand what they're saying. What exactly did they say? Are you running a stock distribution with lots of base services running? Are you hosting a server which uses mysql or postgres as a backend? Did they send some suggestions or did they demand you make changes?

I would like to follow this up and a competitor just checked into this for me and said that Apache seems to be eating up much of the RAM. I am inquiring about moving to them if they can rectifies this for me as well as any future problems and requirements I may have.

As a backup I had also inquired to a gaming provider that claims to "host anything" on their gaming page. Well I am putting them to the "test" LOL.

Updates Below...

Looks like the VPS provider would possibly be a better choice and with their inputs of assuming that the extra RAM is due to the attacks at the control panel layer that my current provider is not willing to admit that OVH's protection is either up the par or doesn't cover "all" attacks. Or that they are lazy to help me protect the VPS at the server level.

That is why I always try to find a GOOD solution for when such BS happens.

[Linuxdirk]

Either this is a really bad provider or you don't understand what they're saying.

Actually this nonsense is quite common. I know some hosters who basically suggest rebooting the server every night to "free ram" and maintain the performance. Cheap hosting providers do not have own technicians. They use an extrenal contractor to initially set up the hosting system and call them in case of errors. All other staff is sales people.

a competitor just checked into this for me and said that Apache seems to be eating up much of the RAM.

It does. Apache is the single worst thing someone could use for web hosting. It can do anything but the performance is horrible!

There are many more modern systems some of them are pretty generic, some of them are for very narrow use cases. Personally I'd chose lighttpd. It is flexible but still pretty fast. If you just want to fire out HTTP files use Gatling or similar.

That is why I always try to find a GOOD solution

Chose two:

1. Good performance
2. Qualified support
3. Not too expensive

[Mineminer]

Either this is a really bad provider or you don't understand what they're saying.

Actually this nonsense is quite common. I know some hosters who basically suggest rebooting the server every night to "free ram" and maintain the performance. Cheap hosting providers do not have own technicians. They use an extrenal contractor to initially set up the hosting system and call them in case of errors. All other staff is sales people.

a competitor just checked into this for me and said that Apache seems to be eating up much of the RAM.

It does. Apache is the single worst thing someone could use for web hosting. It can do anything but the performance is horrible!

There are many more modern systems some of them are pretty generic, some of them are for very narrow use cases. Personally I'd chose lighttpd. It is flexible but still pretty fast. If you just want to fire out HTTP files use Gatling or similar.

That is why I always try to find a GOOD solution

Chose two:

1. Good performance
2. Qualified support
3. Not too expensive

Indeed most of this is true but as I said it's NOT the cost that killing it for what I wish to accomplish it's what there for it. Sure if you got $40+ to drop a month you will probably find something well. But that's ridiculous for a small Minetest server.

It's like renting a mansion when you really only need a room or two.

[Linuxdirk]

Sure if you got $40+ to drop a month you will probably find something well. But that's ridiculous for a small Minetest server.

Unfortunately non-specialized hosting is expensive if you actually want something professional.

If you're not afraid to host in Germany maybe ask them via twitter (or via their website). They always have "left-overs": Real hardware slightly older but still fully functional for varying prices between 20-40 Euros. For example: currently they have a dual-core with 4 GiB RAM and 2x 500 GiB HDD for 34,66 a month. No VPS but actual metal that comes with 1 TiB of free traffic for each month.

I used several hosters and from what I can say from the last ~20 years active in this field: Their support is superb. Very professional, super quick response time, super kind people. Disclaimer: I am not an affiliate or employee but just a regular customer :)

As said earlier: Just don't host MT there. Set up a page for the server with news/blog/forum, set up a communication server (IRC/Mumble, etc.) You'll find something to do with it :)

[fstltna]

The only other hosting service I know of is minecity.online

Thanks for mentioning me. My services are as follows... Fee is $14/month with the first month free plus $5 paid to your paypal. If you are not satisifed and cancel before the 30 days is up you pay nothing.

My servers are dedicated and online 24/7 and for $3 more you can get daily offsite backups. None of this silliness about going down intentionally. I fully host this and do upgrades for you, but you will also be getting full shell access via ssh and can manage your server yourself if you like. You can have the 4.x or 5.x version of minetest, whichever you want.

There is also a full website supplied with joomla and over $200 in advanced extensions. You get a host name in the .minecity.online domain for free, or $5 for a top level domain (or you can provide it yourself and i will give you the ip address to put in it's dns).

If you want more info there is https://minecity.online/HostSplash - more information about the hosting offers there. Just ask if you need clarification on something!
Marisa

[fstltna]

Oops, i should say that i can typically have a server up and running within 2 hours, starting from a clean os install. Have a server of your own tonight ;)

[fstltna]

Another question - what would you like to have included with your Minetest hosting? Interested in working with you, i'm disabled and like to help out other Minetest fans too :)

[Mineminer]

Another question - what would you like to have included with your Minetest hosting? Interested in working with you, i'm disabled and like to help out other Minetest fans too :)

You see, what I am most interested in is being able to easily man the game instance itself at least easier. For instance being able to view console online (able to see what's going on even if I am not in the game and such), files editing to be able to edit game settings easier, and so on.
That is also interesting to see someone else who is disabled as I am also as well. Thus the reasoning it is difficult for me to do heavy command line management due to such limitations.

[fstltna]

I can look into those suggestions. I do provide shell access with "screen" which lets you disconnect & reconnect to the same minetest server console. Will look into maybe making a web interface for some admin features or a text gui for managing some server settings.

Being disabled I have lots of free time so I like to think I provide a good service without having to charge too much for it :)

[Mineminer]

I can look into those suggestions. I do provide shell access with "screen" which lets you disconnect & reconnect to the same minetest server console. Will look into maybe making a web interface for some admin features or a text gui for managing some server settings.

Being disabled I have lots of free time so I like to think I provide a good service without having to charge too much for it :)

Thank you for the understanding in such. Also while I am at it, what systems are used (CPU, RAM, etc), is DDoS protection included, and where are these located?

[fstltna]

Thank you for the understanding in such. Also while I am at it, what systems are used (CPU, RAM, etc), is DDoS protection included, and where are these located?

The CPU's are AMD64, RAM in the low end listing is 2gb. I do have fail2ban on my servers, and if desired I can add blocking of all incoming connections that are not for services desired. Email will also be set up and you will be able to have as many email addresses as you wish... The servers can be in several locations in the USA, california, texas, and east coast and I can also host in singapore or japan...

Marisa

[Mineminer]

Thank you for the understanding in such. Also while I am at it, what systems are used (CPU, RAM, etc), is DDoS protection included, and where are these located?

The CPU's are AMD64, RAM in the low end listing is 2gb. I do have fail2ban on my servers, and if desired I can add blocking of all incoming connections that are not for services desired. Email will also be set up and you will be able to have as many email addresses as you wish... The servers can be in several locations in the USA, california, texas, and east coast and I can also host in singapore or japan...

Marisa

I see thank you for the information.

[fstltna]

:)

[fstltna]

Here is what I have so far on the management console:

MMC main menu

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Will add more features as need arises :)

[Mineminer]

Here is what I have so far on the management console:

MMC_MainMenu.png

Will add more features as need arises :)

Thank you for getting a start on this quickly and sharing what's it includes so far. :)

[Mineminer]

So after much considerations I am falling short on a few things to actually have a solid gaming server (and therefore community). Just as in the "dog days" of Minecraft I am concerned about expand ability. Because at this point in time we basically have two "lanes"

1. VERY entry level hosting (Minetesthosting and Minecity) given that they either really limits functionally or that modern technologies are not within reach (E3 1230v2 or higher single threaded performance). Because of this I am concerned that my game instance will in the short term run out of "usable" CPU power even if other cores are available. Because before Minecraft was a thing as it is now that was a real thing (a constant CPU utilization of over 80% due to demands of the mods, players, and how progressive we were in the server)... With no "Minetest ready" HIGH single threading VPS available my only other option to go "beyond" this would to...
2. Pay exponential amounts for a "completely" managed E3 1230v2 (or slightly better) performing machine (complete with proactive DDoS protection). Which is not at a realistic amount just moving into one even if did managed to get any "extra" funds from the "entry level" option.

I just don't see why to even start a community when expand ability is a concern unless you ready to literally burn money or just hope that the game will soon be able to spread to those lower single threaded cores in order to leverage limitations in hosting options.

[fstltna]

I haven't seen any issues for what you get in my basic plan, the community website takes relatively little cpu/asset resources, and as i offer first month free for you to try it out i don't see the risk for clients. Just cancel the plan before the month and you pay nothing out of pocket...

[Mineminer]

I haven't seen any issues for what you get in my basic plan, the community website takes relatively little cpu/asset resources, and as i offer first month free for you to try it out i don't see the risk for clients. Just cancel the plan before the month and you pay nothing out of pocket...

That is indeed true that the website does barely uses anything and even the instance itself. But obviously if it anything like Minecraft then once you hit a consistent medium-high player count your really going to need to amp up the CPU. As unlike web servers it cannot spread the load to any other threads (as far as I am aware from this community). So usually it much more difficult (if not impractical) to cope with than just "throwing another core" at it.

While the offer to "try it" is nice, this doesn't usually occurs until other risks has to take priority. Such as but not limited to the player base and the community around that. In short expand ability is just as important as running an actual business if you wish to have a proactive community.

[fstltna]

I do offer increased stats, with options to upscale cores, ram, and storage but most people don't need that so i don't list it. I suppose i will add them to my menu but as most of the time, on most servers, there are only a couple people at a time. and 2gb of ram and a lot of cpu is enough...

[Mineminer]

I do offer increased stats, with options to upscale cores, ram, and storage but most people don't need that so i don't list it. I suppose i will add them to my menu but as most of the time, on most servers, there are only a couple people at a time. and 2gb of ram and a lot of cpu is enough...

I see but my real question is will the Minetest instance will upscale with it too? Because I am worried about it not being able to.

[fstltna]

There may be a degree that can be tuned, but that is a minetest issue and woiuld be the same for self hosted or provider hosted servers. A provider hosted server will always be better than a server running on a home server, better bandwidth and latency, so i am not sure how a hosted server at any price would be a shame on the provider...

[Mineminer]

There may be a degree that can be tuned, but that is a minetest issue and woiuld be the same for self hosted or provider hosted servers. A provider hosted server will always be better than a server running on a home server, better bandwidth and latency, so i am not sure how a hosted server at any price would be a shame on the provider...

It's because the quality of the components right? I get it that if I ordered x vCores then it's on the application to use them or not. But as a concern of this limitation that is why I am concerned about using "less than optimum" hardware for the job (IE single threaded optimized processors and fast SSDs/PCIe SSDs).

Unfortunately understandably they cost a lot, but it frustrating to me that no "E3 VPS" is offered with management to boot so I could pay considerably less to get started and keep on moving in order to eventually rent as good if not better hardware to keep up.

[fstltna]

I get you. But btw my servers are ssd based amd64 servers...