[Mod] Crafting Guide [1.14.3] [craftguide]

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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How does one go from the crafting guide to the crafting grid? Do I just have to memorize what the guide says, then manually put stuff into the grid, craft one item, put more stuff into the grid, craft another item, repeat until I die of old age?
Yes this is a guide, not a crafting helper.

Moving items from the guide to the grid is one of most stupid ideas I've seen in UI. Not only this requires complex algorithms, but if it's too much of a pain for some people to craft items manually into the grid (something that adds a gameplay value IMO), what's the point of stopping halfway and not getting directly the output after a click to a button?

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I'm seeing missing image errors when opening the guide.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I agree, in a sense, that guide-to-grid mechanisms are solving the wrong problem. If that whole thing is desired it’s easier to get rid of the crafting grid completely, which is easily done with simplecrafting or rubenwardy’s crafting.
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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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jp wrote:
How does one go from the crafting guide to the crafting grid? Do I just have to memorize what the guide says, then manually put stuff into the grid, craft one item, put more stuff into the grid, craft another item, repeat until I die of old age?
Yes this is a guide, not a crafting helper.

Moving items from the guide to the grid is one of most stupid ideas I've seen in UI. Not only this requires complex algorithms, but if it's too much of a pain for some people to craft items manually into the grid (something that adds a gameplay value IMO), what's the point of stopping halfway and not getting directly the output after a click to a button?
I don't see the gameplay value to mindless clicking. I know there are people who do. One of the kids at the computer lab obsessively places and digs grass until they are all converted into seeds. Clicking just for clicking's sake or to see if you can aggravate carpal tunnel isn't my idea of an enjoyable afternoon.

Re: getting rid of the grid entirely, too much the other direction. The algorithm cannot know whether you want to use up small stacks of the correct group or if you are saving some of them for dining room furniture. Do I want to use tulips or coal for the black dye? How could the algorithm know? It just ends up the same situation as systems level hard drive management -- first fit, best fit, worst fit. No one solution is "best". Just have the algorithm make its best guess and let the player overrule its choices and get on with the game.

Not the thread for this discussion, though. We tried sfinv again because so many people have been championing it, and I was trying to find something, ANYTHING, to relieve the tedium of clicking. Guess it's back to UI and UI+.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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FreeGamers wrote:I'm seeing missing image errors when opening the guide.
I forgot to add these files. This is fixed now.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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Thanks, I can confirm that the missing image file errors are gone.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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The forward button in the sfinv craft guide is not working any more. I noticed this myself, then had a seperate report from a player about it.

Also, another play reported that they cannot see the item names anymore in the guide, but I can see item names when hovering, so I'm not sure what he/she meant by that. He/she is a mobile player so perhaps they mean something when they are touching an item in the guide.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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FreeGamers wrote:The forward button in the sfinv craft guide is not working any more. I noticed this myself, then had a seperate report from a player about it.

Also, another play reported that they cannot see the item names anymore in the guide, but I can see item names when hovering, so I'm not sure what he/she meant by that. He/she is a mobile player so perhaps they mean something when they are touching an item in the guide.
Which engine commit are you on?

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I'm on 5.0.1
Using this version in particular:
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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I am not able to reproduce your issues using the same engine version. Also the latest stable version is 5.1.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I'm on version 5.0.1 not 5.1.0, they are different version.

I've had a few clients report the issue, but I'll try to upload the latest version again and try again.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I confirmed that the right arrow does not work on 5.0.1 on a seperate environment with no mods installed aside from craftguide. I used the craftguide guide-book in this test instead of the sfinv version.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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Try using Minetest 5.1. Otherwise this report is not relevant.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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Its not in my distribution yet and I'm ok with waiting to adopt it. As long as 5.x.x clients can play on the server, I am in no rush to jump to version 5.1.0.

I guess you're saying that you won't support previous versions?

That is OK. I'm going to try to take version 1.8.1 and backport the most important crash fixes and then just use that until things get updated on my distribution.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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OK, so I worked with some of my players to do some troubleshooting. Ultimately decided not to use version 1.8.1 because of the fatal crash with recipes. We did some additional steps and saw that it isn't a server side bug, but rather the craftguide bug only affects clients on 5.0.1 and all clients on 5.1.0 are able to scroll OK without a problem. So with that in mind, I'll just recommend my clients try to get on 5.1.0 when possible. 5.0.1 clients will have to deal with the glitch unfortunately, but it is preferable to the version with fatal crashes from dye recipes.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.10.1] [craftguide]

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I guess you're saying that you won't support previous versions?
All versions equal or newer than 0.4.16 are supported. But if you're using the 5.x branch, better using 5.1.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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Update: craftguide 1.11 released!
  • Added bookmarks (requires Minetest 5.2-dev).
  • Better GUI visual feedbacks (requires Minetest 5.2-dev).
  • Bugfixes.
Enjoy!

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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I tried the new updates on 5.2-dev and the nav elements are all broke in the sfinv version of the guide. Using 5.1 client. Just reporting the bug.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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The server version and the client version must match. There is no way to check the formspec version on a client, unfortunately.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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jp wrote:There is no way to check the formspec version on a client, unfortunately.

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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rubenwardy wrote:
jp wrote:There is no way to check the formspec version on a client, unfortunately.

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minetest.get_player_information(name).formspec_version
This is too unreliable. E.g. the engine can have a specific feature in 5.2 inexisting from 5.1, but both keep the same formspec version, and you want this feature to be used only on 5.2 clients. What need to be known by the server is the engine version of the client, or formspec_version must be bumped everytime a new feature is added.

However this approach is better than minetest.get_version()

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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minetest.features would theoretically save the day, but sadly, this table is very very incomplete. Are you looking for the existence of a specific formspec element?

In the meantime, you can always declare your mod unsupported for all Minetest versions before version X.Y.Z.
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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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jp wrote:This is too unreliable. E.g. the engine can have a specific feature in 5.2 inexisting from 5.1, but both keep the same formspec version, and you want this feature to be used only on 5.2 clients. What need to be known by the server is the engine version of the client, or formspec_version must be bumped everytime a new feature is added.

However this approach is better than minetest.get_version()
I thought you literally meant you can't check the formspec_version, but you actually meant it as a general term for the formspec features available on the client

5.2.0-dev is v3, and 5.1.0 is v2, due to real elements. But this isn't particularly reliable when people use 5.2.0-dev versions which aren't the latest. Feature flags for clients would be nice

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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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Well, if you need a system so precise that it's able to distinguish features within the same -dev version, that's a little overkill IMO.
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Re: [Mod] Crafting Guide [1.11] [craftguide]

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I don't think dev version should have that functionality. It is too fast a target with too many releases to focus on compatibility? I would agree with Wuzzy that that would be overkill and it sounds exhausting to keep up with.

The way I ended up with this problem is because there was a major bug with UDP network packets in version 5.1.0 so when I updated to it I **needed** to upgrade to version 5.2.0-dev on my server for it to have stability. Otherwise I would be running a more stable release of 5.0.1 or 5.1.0 in this public-facing server. Most of my clients are 5.0.1, or 5.1.

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