Community Minetest Project (CMP)

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Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by Chiantos » Sat Jun 08, 2019 14:13

Hello, everyone

MINETEST is currently suffering from a product problem that is more thinking about the idea of control by a minority of people who refuse both to help people really to their project and also to integrate ideas or even bug fixes or limits related to this engine. Nothing is done in the idea of helping to allow the use of the project to help others to create their own project, the documentation is obsolete and the compilation procedure is wrong. This engine also suffers from a problem where the community can not really participate.

So I think it is necessary to create a fork that would be controlled by the community and where the choices would be made by the whole community, not by a minority of people. Not in the interest of harming the main devellopeurs, but to allow to create a project together and in a real vision open and really free, on a model of respect and collaboration.

I want to say that I do not hate the core-dev, I do not hate the members who would support their vision of this engine, but only for propose an alternative to the current vision. A different vision that would not prevent the main project from existing, but simply to build our own in a different vision, without being insulting or disrespectful.

A discord has already been opened and the github has been forked, a forum will be opened, as well as an irc.

Discord : https://discord.gg/BtgngU4
Github : https://github.com/community-minetest/minetest

I wish good luck to the members and developers of the main project, and I hope that we will maintain a bond of mutual respect.
A different vision does not prevent a mutual help and also to be able to share between our two projects.

Respectfully, good luck and good day.
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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by sofar » Sat Jun 08, 2019 16:40

yes

because creating a new community is a good way to help another community

I totally follow you on that logic
 

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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by duane » Sat Jun 08, 2019 20:14

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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by Linuxdirk » Sat Jun 08, 2019 20:45

sofar wrote:because creating a new community is a good way to help another community

Of course not. And of course will this fork fail like all the other forks that were made out of frustration. But don’t look just at the text – look at the intention behind it.
 

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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by duane » Sat Jun 08, 2019 21:01

Linuxdirk wrote:
sofar wrote:because creating a new community is a good way to help another community

Of course not. And of course will this fork fail like all the other forks that were made out of frustration. But don’t look just at the text – look at the intention behind it.


I can only guess at the intention, since there aren't any specific complaints here, and I don't use discord. There are a lot of unhappy posters that seem to assume that everyone knows what problems they're talking about, but don't bother to explain or even link to previous conversations. If I were having problems with the development of a project, I'd have a running list of failed attempts at reasoning with the developers that I could link to in every post.
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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by GreenDimond » Sun Jun 09, 2019 00:33

sofar wrote:yes

because creating a new community is a good way to help another community

I totally follow you on that logic

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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by paramat » Sun Jun 09, 2019 00:42

> ... control by a minority of people who refuse both to help people really to their project and also to integrate ideas or even bug fixes or limits related to this engine. Nothing is done in the idea of helping to allow the use of the project to help others to create their own project,

> This engine also suffers from a problem where the community can not really participate.

All this is clearly untrue.
This sort of criticism is quite common but just arises when someone disagrees with some decisions the core devs made.

> the documentation is obsolete

lua_api.txt is instantly updated when a PR is merged that makes a change. The wiki is not official documentation.

> a fork that would be controlled by the community and where the choices would be made by the whole community, not by a minority of people

Most of the community are unqualified to make technical or coding decisions, so you will inevitably end up with a small group of people making the technical and coding decisions, to avoid disaster.
Even if a democratic vote is held on whether to add feature X, this may seem non-technical, but that feature may not be a good idea due to technical reasons that most will not understand and will not accept. So even non-technical decisions can be damaging to make democratically.

However, i wish you the best, it's always good to see new forks and projects.
 

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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by voxelproof » Mon Jun 10, 2019 02:40

You've probably got inspired by the glorious history of two precedents for your idea : FreeMiner and Voxelands. And if not, it's imo best to start with learning a bit about these two projects.
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Re: Community Minetest Project (CMP)

by Chiantos » Sat Jun 22, 2019 13:58

Hello,

I would not have the time to take care of this project, free to the one who would like to follow the idea of ​​putting it in place with the current members. It's still a community thing, it does not necessarily have me to work ... I just had an idea, free to them to make it work.

Discord and Github are currently in the hands of Azekill and Gerold.

And I did not do that against the dev core or with the intention of harming them, but simply to test an idea that can lead to nothing as something and that is not supposed to fight the main project but bring a more. You may have different opinions or just be curious to test something else. It would be stupid for me to hate someone just for code, as long as he did not hurt me or go against the licenses.

You can have a different vision, test things temporarily or not. And yet having respect for others is not incompatible. ;)

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