[Game] Voxelgarden [5.6.0]
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Casimir, we're considering a new grass texture for MTGame and i like your voxelgarden texture, is it okay for me to edit it a little and submit it as a possible new texture? I was thinking of trying to make the 'lines' less obvious, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest_ga ... -150977485
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Accidental double post.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Of course it is okay. But actually I don't like my current texture that much. It is far to green. On large scales it looks too artificial. I wanted to add some yellow, brown shades to it but lack the skills. Somewhere in the direction of Gambits texture you posted on that issue. If you (plural) come up with a improved version I will gladly use it too.
My current plan is to turn the rocks into flint blocks. Those drop four or nine flints which then can be used to either craft stonetools, or to be sharpened and a tool of it's own. Also I want to add fallen logs the way they where introduced in Minetest Game lately, which then could be broken by hand. This way there are several options on how to advance in the game. And the flints could be used to craft other items e.g. a fire striker. Basically reimplementing my stoneage mod.
That always has the problem that people can just place and dig again until they turned all dirt into rocks.DatJohnDoe wrote:Why not make breaking dirt have a chance of giving you a rock/rock fragment?
My current plan is to turn the rocks into flint blocks. Those drop four or nine flints which then can be used to either craft stonetools, or to be sharpened and a tool of it's own. Also I want to add fallen logs the way they where introduced in Minetest Game lately, which then could be broken by hand. This way there are several options on how to advance in the game. And the flints could be used to craft other items e.g. a fire striker. Basically reimplementing my stoneage mod.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Done the flint thing. It replaces all rocks. Flint can be used to craft stone tools. Also gives you a handaxe, and together with steel a fire striker. It has to be used with tinder the way you see it in the screenshot. Tinder can be crafted from cotton, wheat or paper. There is also a fire privilege so server owners can disable it.
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
I'm a new player, and I installed Voxelgarden because I really like the survival concept. However, when I try to start a game it fails, apparently due to the Flint mod. Here's what it gives me:
If i delete the Flint mod, it runs perfectly, although of course then it's impossible to play since I have no resource to make basic tools out of. I am able to corner the market in sticks though, so that's something.2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run /home/kels/.minetest/games/Voxelgarden/mods/flint/init.lua
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/kels/.minetest/games/Voxelgarden/mods/flint/init.lua
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: Error from Lua:
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: /home/kels/.minetest/games/Voxelgarden/mods/flint/init.lua:36: attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value)
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: /home/kels/.minetest/games/Voxelgarden/mods/flint/init.lua:36: in main chunk
2016-02-25 17:19:58: ERROR[main]: Check debug.txt for details.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
@Nezchan: that seems to be a problem with dependencies, see below
@Casimir: to fix @Nezchan's problem, put default in the depends.txt for the flint mod.
@Casimir: to fix @Nezchan's problem, put default in the depends.txt for the flint mod.
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Worked perfectly, thanks!
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Oh thank you both. I added the depends.txt now.
It seems I had a depends.txt but forgot to commit it.
It seems I had a depends.txt but forgot to commit it.
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Thank you again, I'm really enjoying my experience so far. I haven't played Minecraft at all, so Minetest is my introduction to the genre and this is the subgame that really grabs me the most, I think. Pixture comes second, but I think I like this one especially for the limits on technology. I see it as basically playing at a Viking level, where you've got metals but not too much past that level.
Would be nice to see appropriate mobs though, like wolves and bears. And a way to throw away unwanted items, there doesn't seem to be a "junk" option that I can see.
Would be nice to see appropriate mobs though, like wolves and bears. And a way to throw away unwanted items, there doesn't seem to be a "junk" option that I can see.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
See https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1025 for my subtle modification of your grass texture.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
This looks perfect but I'm a noob and I've encountered some problems - sometimes flowers or grass are floating a block higher than the ground (perhaps because dirt can fall?), and leaves start decaying as soon as trees get close.
Are these known issues or have I done something wrong? Were they introduced by v4.14? Is Voxelgarden still maintained? Should I be attempting to debug it?
Update: I think leaf decay is built into minetest now, but when Voxelgarden was made it had to implement its own. I'll try replacing the mods in Voxelgarden with 4.14 ones and ripping out the leaf decay.
Are these known issues or have I done something wrong? Were they introduced by v4.14? Is Voxelgarden still maintained? Should I be attempting to debug it?
Update: I think leaf decay is built into minetest now, but when Voxelgarden was made it had to implement its own. I'll try replacing the mods in Voxelgarden with 4.14 ones and ripping out the leaf decay.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
This is because of the mudflow part of mapgen and the same problem exists in other game, afaik.DrFrankenstone wrote:sometimes flowers or grass are floating a block higher than the ground (perhaps because dirt can fall?)
Well, this problem existed for some time but should have been fixed. Can you try the latest version? If if still persists, what trees are affected (all kinds?) and in which mapgen?DrFrankenstone wrote:and leaves start decaying as soon as trees get close.
I use a special leafdecay for several reasons, but it should be safe to just delete "leafdecay.lua" in the "default" mod.
If there are any bugs, I try to fix them, but adding no new features. At the moment I'm more interested in other projects. (e.g. instead of creating games no one but me plays, I could also create language no one but me speaks.)DrFrankenstone wrote:Is Voxelgarden still maintained?
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
That's not entirely true, I played your subgame in a server (when there was one) and then locally in my computer for hours :-)Casimir wrote:At the moment I'm more interested in other projects. (e.g. instead of creating games no one but me plays, I could also create language no one but me speaks.)
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
I agree with Iva, I've really enjoyed what you did with this subgame. It's a real pity that it hasn't been worked on, although I don't begrudge you working on the projects that interest you.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Thanks you both. It's good to see some people actually playing it.
I have more time at hand now, so I will likely do some updates and at least keep up with the improvements in minetest_game. (I already uncovered the todo list - enough on it for days of work.)
I have more time at hand now, so I will likely do some updates and at least keep up with the improvements in minetest_game. (I already uncovered the todo list - enough on it for days of work.)
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
I like this mod because it feels like I'm a Viking. Could use appropriate mobs, like bears and wolves.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Found the bug for the disappearing leaves. Should work now.
Mobs are planed, but it will still take a while before they are usable.
Mobs are planed, but it will still take a while before they are usable.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Your grass texture is now used in MTGame in modified form.
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
I'm testing Voxelgarden, that has been packaged with the new Minetest 0.4.14-8a7dc83 - 2016-12-05.
I get some errormessages:
The crosshair is white, and rather small, that makes it hard to see on some backgrounds.
The player cannot dig trees, and so he cannot make tools.
I don't see how the player should get started, and there is no documentation about this.
I get some errormessages:
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2016-12-10 19:42:47: WARNING[Main]: Field "height_min": Deprecated: new name is "y_min".
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2016-12-10 19:42:47: WARNING[Main]: Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: sapling -> default:sapling
2016-12-10 19:42:47: WARNING[Main]: Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: brick -> default:clay_brick
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2016-12-10 19:42:48: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
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2016-12-10 19:42:49: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: Could not open file of texture: character.png
The player cannot dig trees, and so he cannot make tools.
I don't see how the player should get started, and there is no documentation about this.
'My' wiki-pages: Build-a-home - basic-robot - basic_robot_csm - basic-machines - digtron - xdecor -
Map-Database
Map-Database
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
@hajo, look at the first post, under "recipes to know" spoiler.
Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
hajo wrote:The player cannot dig trees, and so he cannot make tools.
I don't see how the player should get started, and there is no documentation about this.
Well, that kind of documentation should be someplace in the download,Ivà wrote:@hajo, look at the first post, under "recipes to know" spoiler.
e.g. readme.txt or maybe hints.txt
'My' wiki-pages: Build-a-home - basic-robot - basic_robot_csm - basic-machines - digtron - xdecor -
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Map-Database
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Nothing changed here for a long time. Personally I continued playing the game (mainly on a local copy of The Ocean Experiment). However some updates recently broke an essential part of the game: attached nodes falling (instead of dropping). So I decided to put some (still little) more work into maintaining the subgame. I would be happy if others join in.
Therefor I stared using the issue tracker on github and added most of the things I could think about out of my head. There are still some old todo lists hiding somewhere.
Issues use my system of "bugs >> cleanups >> features >> nice to haves". Which means, every issue should be labelled with one of those (it doesn't matter much which one). Bugs are done first, then cleanups, than features, than the things nice to have.
This has the downside of having a few features, but the upside of having a stable and mostly bug free base to work with and little maintenance. And I prefer to have a few well done features working, than many which don't work.
It also benefits changes that improve mods by making them more modular and generalized, which in turn allow new features to emerge just out of the existing. The best example is the modularized doors mod. I use it to build windows, trapdoors, fences, stairs and everything, things MTG adds new nodes for.
If anyone wants to help, it's as easy as opening an issue on github. I have lost track of the changes in MTG, and also no idea of bugs which I don't encounter because I am used to how this subgame works. Those who want to contribute code are welcome too. (New features are best done as mods working on their own, so they can be used in other subgames too.)
@ hajo
Thanks for your feedback I will try to fix the things you mentioned (crosshair hardly visible, documentation missing, engine warnings) in some time.
Therefor I stared using the issue tracker on github and added most of the things I could think about out of my head. There are still some old todo lists hiding somewhere.
Issues use my system of "bugs >> cleanups >> features >> nice to haves". Which means, every issue should be labelled with one of those (it doesn't matter much which one). Bugs are done first, then cleanups, than features, than the things nice to have.
This has the downside of having a few features, but the upside of having a stable and mostly bug free base to work with and little maintenance. And I prefer to have a few well done features working, than many which don't work.
It also benefits changes that improve mods by making them more modular and generalized, which in turn allow new features to emerge just out of the existing. The best example is the modularized doors mod. I use it to build windows, trapdoors, fences, stairs and everything, things MTG adds new nodes for.
If anyone wants to help, it's as easy as opening an issue on github. I have lost track of the changes in MTG, and also no idea of bugs which I don't encounter because I am used to how this subgame works. Those who want to contribute code are welcome too. (New features are best done as mods working on their own, so they can be used in other subgames too.)
@ hajo
Thanks for your feedback I will try to fix the things you mentioned (crosshair hardly visible, documentation missing, engine warnings) in some time.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
As announced, I did some work on the game (had some time because ill at home) and got some annoying bugs fixed, things cleaned out and copied some nice textures. See? Trees and grass don't look like shit anymore.
Cotton and saplings where improved too. (Papyrus is still far form ideal.)
Now one bug is still open: "Have a replacement for silex"
There are several problems with silex/flint.
1. They are limited and few, which leads to problems in multiplayer for new players.
2. They use their own block and item without adding to much of use, or decoration.
3. They become useless after finding the first deposit.
4. They are unintuitive. As a new player you have no idea how to get started.
The solution I came up with still feels kind of ugly to me. But maybe it would work. That's why I need some input and opinions.
All the flint/silex/whatever things are replaced with gravel, in the way that:
I could also change the texture to look quite different to MTG/MC so payers will dig some up to look what it is.
Still doesn't sound like a good solution.
Cotton and saplings where improved too. (Papyrus is still far form ideal.)
Now one bug is still open: "Have a replacement for silex"
There are several problems with silex/flint.
1. They are limited and few, which leads to problems in multiplayer for new players.
2. They use their own block and item without adding to much of use, or decoration.
3. They become useless after finding the first deposit.
4. They are unintuitive. As a new player you have no idea how to get started.
The solution I came up with still feels kind of ugly to me. But maybe it would work. That's why I need some input and opinions.
All the flint/silex/whatever things are replaced with gravel, in the way that:
- Gravel becomes much more common. Often as an extra layer between dirt and stone.
- When dug, gravel drops 4 "small stone".
- "small stone" can be used to craft all the things as before: tools, and a fire striker.
- One can craft 4 "small stones" back into gravel.
I could also change the texture to look quite different to MTG/MC so payers will dig some up to look what it is.
Still doesn't sound like a good solution.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
After playing around a bit, I am thinking about adding a adze as tool (see crafting) and a mattock (see wield). Both multitools to chop wood and dig dirt. The adze can also dig some stone. With the small stones you would first be able to craft an adze, get some real stone and then craft the usual stone tools. This is inspired by Voxelands where you have small versions of the usual stone tools, which you craft from stones you find in dirt.
This adds an extra layer which might be annoying. But I want to avoid the game play where you start, get stone tools and be done.
In the background you can also see how gravel will generate.
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Re: [Game] Voxelgarden [git]
Happy to see this high quality subgame carry on development. It was the first thing I tried after realizing I wasn't limited to Minetest Game and it is in my opinion still one of the finer subgames out there in terms of concept, game mechanics, visual coherence, pace and so on. I remember being the suspense of nightfall and what it could possibly bring.
When I try it again I'm experiencing s a critical bug though. The game goes segfault whenever falling nodes reaches the ground. See Github issue.
Edit: Realizing you might be developing towards .4.15-dev my issue might be irrelevant. Sorry.
When I try it again I'm experiencing s a critical bug though. The game goes segfault whenever falling nodes reaches the ground. See Github issue.
Edit: Realizing you might be developing towards .4.15-dev my issue might be irrelevant. Sorry.
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