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Wow!!! my mod Petz rocketed in ContentDB thanks that Spanish Youtuber.
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runs wrote:
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Wow!!! my mod Petz rocketed in ContentDB thanks that Spanish Youtuber.
What about Juanchi Game?
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MCL wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 16:57
What about Juanchi Game?
Juanchi Game has the "gore" content warning, packages with content warnings are hidden on Android by default. So Juanchi didn't get many downloads that day.

Btw, all these stats are public. You can see Juanchi's stats at https://content.minetest.net/packages/r ... chi/stats/
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rubenwardy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 17:55
MCL wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 16:57
What about Juanchi Game?
Juanchi Game has the "gore" content warning, packages with content warnings are hidden on Android by default. So Juanchi didn't get many downloads that day.

Btw, all these stats are public. You can see Juanchi's stats at https://content.minetest.net/packages/r ... chi/stats/
I have to change the Juanchi LOGO Image, the game is not gore but the LOGO. I mistakenly thought that such a LOGO would attract more people for the sake of morbidity.
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rubenwardy, may you quit the "Gore" tag of Juanchi Game? I have replaced the LOGO with a cool AI LOGO.
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Are binaries generated using technologies that utilize machine learning allowed on CDB?

I would assume yes, but there has been a deliberate misinformation campaign against binaries like that and many sites have banned them.
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Hi,

@MCL - THX however IMO some ambiguity and I wonder what the meaning behind this may be ...
MCL wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 04:41
Are binaries generated using technologies that utilize machine learning allowed on CDB?

I would assume yes, but there has been a deliberate misinformation campaign against binaries like that and many sites have banned them.
Let me ask this:
  1. Does Lua 5.1 code already exist which truly & reasonably utilizes machine learning technology?
  2. Which apparent deliberate misinformation campaign against binaries like that of the or around the MT community would you be pointing at here?
Any clarification would be highly appreciated.

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MCL wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 04:41
Are binaries generated using technologies that utilize machine learning allowed on CDB?

I would assume yes, but there has been a deliberate misinformation campaign against binaries like that and many sites have banned them.
I'm not sure what you mean by binaries, because Lua mods for Minetest are usually distributed in source form and interpreted as in ordinary "binary executables" for your computer (and "binary" as in "binary file" could vaguely refer to formats like PNG). Anyway it doesn't really matter, because machine-learning generated art assets are already present on ContentDB and I'm sure they'll they will probably continue to be. NathanSalapat in his post-Game Jam 2022 review stream noted how much use of AI-generated textures he made in his game. As for code: Rubenwardy, the administrator of the official ContentDB site, also wrote an article about generating Lua code for Minetest from GPT-3, so it's only fair to assume I think that he doesn't hate the technology and doesn't want to disallow generated code on ContentDB.. unless the code is so bad it doesn't pass the ContentDB reviewers' checks, since these AIs have been known to fill gaps in their knowledge with nonsense all the time :)

Edit: All of the above should be taken with a big grain of salt and only as evidence of the aforementioned peoples' actions. As Rubenwardy has said below, refer to the actual ContentDB policy page which has an entry regarding the topic.
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"Not hating" a technology is not strongly coupled to "promoting or resisting" a technology.
Technology per se is neutral, so why would I love or hate it; but I can still find the use of it (or even just some specific use cases) unethical or otherwise detrimental even though I may want to experiment with it to learn about its possibilities and limitations, and/or because I find it generally interesting without considering possible ramifications.

I consider machine learning and automated generation of {code|art|literature|...} in itself interesting, that doesn't mean I have to love it. But when you look over the immediate horizon, there undeniably are legitimate concerns about ethicality, authorship, responsibility, scope and many more. That still does not mean that I have to hate the technology either.

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Please see the new copyright guide for our position on AI art: https://content.minetest.net/help/copyr ... used-an-ai
Errrr. This is a legally untested area, we highly recommend that you don't use AI art/code in packages.

For now, we haven't banned AI art/code from ContentDB. Make sure to clearly include it in your package's credit list (include the name of the AI tool used).

Check the tools terms and conditions to see if there are any constraints on use. It looks like AI-generated art and code isn't copyrightable by itself, but the tool's T&Cs may still impose conditions.

AI art/code may regurgitate copyrighted things. Make sure that you don't include the names of any copyrighted materials in your AI prompts, such as names of games or artists.
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Re: ContentDB - database for the mod/game/txp in-menu installer

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Blockhead wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:12
MCL wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 04:41
Are binaries generated using technologies that utilize machine learning allowed on CDB?

I would assume yes, but there has been a deliberate misinformation campaign against binaries like that and many sites have banned them.
I'm not sure what you mean by binaries, because Lua mods for Minetest are usually distributed in source form and interpreted as in ordinary "binary executables" for your computer (and "binary" as in "binary file" could vaguely refer to formats like PNG). Anyway it doesn't really matter, because machine-learning generated art assets are already present on ContentDB and I'm sure they'll they will probably continue to be. NathanSalapat in his post-Game Jam 2022 review stream noted how much use of AI-generated textures he made in his game. As for code: Rubenwardy, the administrator of the official ContentDB site, also wrote an article about generating Lua code for Minetest from GPT-3, so it's only fair to assume I think that he doesn't hate the technology and doesn't want to disallow generated code on ContentDB.. unless the code is so bad it doesn't pass the ContentDB reviewers' checks, since these AIs have been known to fill gaps in their knowledge with nonsense all the time :)

Edit: All of the above should be taken with a big grain of salt and only as evidence of the aforementioned peoples' actions. As Rubenwardy has said below, refer to the actual ContentDB policy page which has an entry regarding the topic.
When I said binaries, I clearly meant images. I didn't say anything about them being executable, so maybe you should learn to read before jumping to conclusions.

I'm not planning on using GPT-3 as it is corporate garbage with a piece-of-shit filter that prevents it from being used to its fullest extent.

GPT-2 is MIT/X and can be ran locally so I might use that in the future, but I don't know yet.
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MCL wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 00:10
When I said binaries, I clearly meant images. I didn't say anything about them being executable, so maybe you should learn to read before jumping to conclusions.
No, it wasn't clear, "binaries" usually means executable binaries in that context. Don't blame the reader when you communicated poorly. The correct thing to say here would have been "Oh sorry, I meant binary files, like images and sounds."
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Does this include translations? I do most of the translating for DeepL, the name says it all, Deep Learning, and yes it is an AI. Even the text was translated with https://www.deepl.com. I wouldn't do so well without it, because my English skills are not good enough to translate mods, let alone whole books (the Minetest modding book in German wouldn't be finished without DeepL).

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Yeah, using machine translation is fine
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Re: ContentDB - database for the mod/game/txp in-menu installer

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rubenwardy wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:48
For now, we haven't banned AI art/code from ContentDB. Make sure to clearly include it in your package's credit list (include the name of the AI tool used).

Check the tools terms and conditions to see if there are any constraints on use. It looks like AI-generated art and code isn't copyrightable by itself, but the tool's T&Cs may still impose conditions.
SD and many other models don't require you to attribute them; do you still need to credit them nonetheless even if you use a model that's freely or semi-freely licensed?
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