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Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 16:19
by azekill_DIABLO
Should we rename Minetest? please vote and comment ;)

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Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 16:27
by Linuxdirk
This would cause a shit-ton ow work in the API and will affect all mods ever released. There either has to be an uber fat compatibility layer or a hard cut.

So IF there ever will be a rename it should be done when finally reaching version 1.0. So "Minetest" will be the test/beta/etc. version of the game and engine, and whatever the name will be will be the name of the final product.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 16:38
by azekill_DIABLO
maybe just renaming minetest_game so? or the engine? but iunderstand ...

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 17:44
by rubenwardy
Linuxdirk wrote:This would cause a shit-ton ow work in the API and will affect all mods ever released. There either has to be an uber fat compatibility layer or a hard cut.


Nope. If you renamed the namespace, it would be a one line fix for backwards compatibility:

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minetest = newname


Linuxdirk wrote:So IF there ever will be a rename it should be done when finally reaching version 1.0. So "Minetest" will be the test/beta/etc. version of the game and engine, and whatever the name will be will be the name of the final product.


I disagree.

We'll never be a finished product, there will always be more work to do

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 18:05
by Nyarg
mineMegatest ? )))

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 18:16
by sorcerykid
I still really like the name Freeminer. It has all the attributes of great branding. Since work on that project has seemingly halted for the foreseeable future, it might be worthwhile to at least open a dialog with the Freeminer devs about the possibility of acquiring the rights to that name. Just a thought, for those that feel positively about rebranding Minetest.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 19:58
by TumeniNodes
It could be rebranded as "Not Minecraft"
or......

The Game Which Is Kinda Sorta Like Minecraft But Isn't
orrrr......

Minecraft---ish

or...
Sh#&, I only have $29.92 :(

or...
BOB (<--- my favorite choice) or, The Adventures Of BOB (rename the character to BOB)

or...
The Game Which Mustn't Be Named

or...
Cubular

It's getting hard to remember how many "Should Minetest be renamed" posts there are : /

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 21:04
by maikerumine
Minetest = openminer

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 21:08
by echosa
Voxelland? Voxelitis? El Voxelito? Venomi? (VEnomi's NOt MInecraft)

Of course, what is actually be renamed? The engine? The base game? To be honest, the majority of poeple won't know (or care about) the difference. They want to download a game and play it. Currently, they download Minetest and play Minetest. They don't care that they're downloading the Minetest engine bundled with a set of mods known as a the default "Minetest Game", which is a separate thing, etc.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 21:10
by echosa
maikerumine wrote:Minetest = openminer


I like "openminer", but looks like it might not be unique. http://openminer.sourceforge.net/ Abandoned project, likely, but finding a unique name for people to search would be good.

No

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 23:11
by Wuzzy
No, don't rename Minetest. The name is already too ingrained in the community. Yes, the name is very silly, but also very memorable (probably because it's so silly) and easy to find with a search engine. Renaming it now might create too much confusion.

I still really like the name Freeminer. It has all the attributes of great branding. Since work on that project has seemingly halted for the foreseeable future, it might be worthwhile to at least open a dialog with the Freeminer devs about the possibility of acquiring the rights to that name. Just a thought, for those that feel positively about rebranding Minetest.

They don't claim any rights on the name (no trademark) so Minetest could immediately grab this name. However, I would strongly recommend AGAINST reusing an existing name because it will cause too much confusion and the Freeminer developers would definitely hate us for such a dick move (rightfully so). Even if the Freeminer developers agree, it would be a very bad idea because it would be extremely confusing.
Apart from that, a strong “brand” never changes. It's not a strong “brand” when the name changes all the time. Minetest went already past one rename, so is Minetest Game.

Voxelland?

Too similar to “Voxelands”, which is already taken.

maybe just renaming minetest_game so?

The correct name is “Minetest Game”, not “minetest_game”. The name “minetest_game” was abandoned years ago. Whatever. Minetest Game sucks either way, so I don't care about the name anymore, as long it's unique.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 23:48
by MineYoshi
The correct thing to do here is to focus on more important stuff... There are many bugs to solve, content to add, and code to write before actually releasing the so beloved "1.0.0"...
I do not know what to argue or discuss about the actual name of this project, in my humble opinion. The name "MineTest" is integrated in the community since a long time ago, also as spoken before, changing this name will cause certain confussion among players.
But if this project gets more famous in some case, and changing the name is something that may be important, is better to change the name now than changing it when it in the future when it will be harder to do so...

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 00:51
by rubenwardy
The name simply makes our project sound shit to outsiders

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 03:04
by TumeniNodes
MineYoshi makes a good point, as does rubenwardy

Another name could wait to be chosen until around the 1.0 timetable (which is obviously quite some time in the future)
XBMC, after being quite established, became Kodi, and regardless of doomsday sayers... it went fairly well and smooth... so smooth I just had difficulty remembering "XBMC" : P

When the time comes, or gets close, and a new name does become a more serious subject... as long as the name is actually "good", it will go just as smoothly, and not be as big a deal as some think it will.

emphasis on "good name"... just sayin'

I have another one... ready????
......... "Cubalicious"...... huh??? huh????



---------< crickets >----------

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 07:23
by Sergey
maikerumine wrote:Minetest = openminer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlkKYpnFu5o

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 09:23
by Linuxdirk
TumeniNodes wrote:or...
BOB (<--- my favorite choice) or, The Adventures Of BOB (rename the character to BOB)

What? You can't name a game Bob!

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:19
by Sergey
It's simple. If names do not fit, let's use other languages.

gorniak is transliterated form of горняк, which means miner in Russian.
Here root is гор-. Гора means mountain.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 13:34
by firefox
aside from all the technical consequences of changing the name, i think some of the community will always call it "minetest" even if the name is different :P

but i support the idea of changing the name of minetest_game.
if "minetest" is just the engine, it would make sense. in some way...
but games should not be named "test", so the default game needs a better name and mod and subgame authors should stop to create more "<insert random stuff here>test" content ;)

edit:
i like "Not Minecraft" :P

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 15:55
by Wuzzy
All the suggested alternative names so far are either not good or are already taken.


firefox wrote:but i support the idea of changing the name of minetest_game.

It's called “Minetest Game”, not “minetest_game”. The name “minetest_game” has been abandoned years ago.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 16:25
by Sergey
Many countries' names end with -ia. For example, Australia, Austria, Colombia, Slovakia, Malaysia, Russia and so on.

So my another suggestion is Voxelia.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 17:51
by Linuxdirk
Sergey wrote:Many countries' names end with -ia.

In English, yes.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 18:18
by azekill_DIABLO
i understand many people have integrated the MineTest name. I will not be pie to change it. But when i talked of this game to my firnds, the first thing they said me is (aproximatively): "With such a name it's like a buggy minecraft made for testing and not playing". And this is what i thought a long time before understanding... we should really think at least to change it a bit. Voxelia is nice!

@wuzzy: Sorry, sorry, i was tired i forgot it. But it's still the internal name of Minetest Game no?

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 20:52
by Sergey
Linuxdirk wrote:
Sergey wrote:Many countries' names end with -ia.

In English, yes.

In Russian, as well. (except for -ия in the end, which sounds -iya for English-speaker).

Австралия, Авcтрия, Колумбия, Словакия, Малайзия, Россия and so on.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 22:24
by red-001
Sergey wrote:It's simple. If names do not fit, let's use other langauges.

gorniak is transliterated from of горняк, which means miner in Russian.
Here root is гор-. Гораmountain.

Interesting idea.

Re: Should we rename Minetest? (poll)

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 01:58
by MineYoshi
Here are some suggestions for a name, since it became an important subject and topic:
-Celeron55, the first developer is from Finland, take a name based upon Finnish language. But remember the language variety in our community, so keep it as something that can be said and wrote easily ;)
-The game is composed upon voxels, have that in mind.
-Build and craft, those are the base ideas of this game, have that in mind too.