OldCoder wants to trademark “Minetest”

[azekill_DIABLO]

Taking control of what? Minetest? Good luck to take control of such an open-source project. He is dumb.

[Joseph16]

Taking control of what? Minetest? Good luck to take control of such an open-source project. He is dumb.

He is really an idiot. Last night he messaged me using an alt, and basically ignored everything I said and posted the same thing over and over. If that’s not proof he is bad news for the minetest community then what is?

[azekill_DIABLO]

> Last night he messaged me using an alt
How? By PM?

He doesn't really show any type of reflexion before his actions. That not how he will take of minetest (or whatever we will call it next)

[Vapalus]

Dumb or nut, the problem is giving in just creates more problems.
I received this PM too, telling me that you all are child molesters.

[rubenwardy]

Taking control of what? Minetest? Good luck to take control of such an open-source project. He is dumb.

If theoretically he got a trademark, he's be able to remove our apps from the Play Store and other stores such as Ubuntu. He's unlikely to be able to remove our website, or decrease it in the search rankings

[Joseph16]

> Last night he messaged me using an alt
How? By PM?

He doesn't really show any type of reflexion before his actions. That not how he will take of minetest (or whatever we will call it next)

Yes PM

[azekill_DIABLO]

he's be able to remove our apps from the Play Store and other stores such as Ubuntu.

We made the project, we have the proof we made it. Just rename that in order to not cause name problems. And for the number of apps called *minecraft* lol.

> Yes, PM

/headbump

[rubenwardy]

I'd like to suggest that everyone avoids insults in this thread. It'll just enrage him more and give him more targets

[voxelproof]

I‘d have issues with closing this topic, too, for the fact that someone told me the whole team is pedophile without any explanation. Actually, there should be a public announcement.

In my opinion the main issue here is not a trademark feud. The core of the problem is that someone apparently wants to do harm to the Minetest project - and succeeds. Because, from my point of view, and from a point of view of every ordinary member of the community or casual bystander, such accusations, when there do exist some sites were such contemptible personalities try to get in touch with children, without personal knowledge of the team, prompt some uncomfortable questions.

And this is enough to keep some of them away from Minetest and to make gossips spread.

If one wants to destroy a community-driven project, in a society based on information, there're many other ways than only to pursue trademark rights. In fact this is, as I suppose, only a cover here.

[sorcerykid]

Taking control of what? Minetest? Good luck to take control of such an open-source project. He is dumb.

If theoretically he got a trademark, he's be able to remove our apps from the Play Store and other stores such as Ubuntu. He's unlikely to be able to remove our website, or decrease it in the search rankings

I'm pretty sure that any competent trademark office will deny an application for a mark that is already associated with an existing product or service in the same class. Even if he is somehow successful at registering the mark, he cannot retroactively challenge a third-party's common law rights to that same mark, if they were making continuous good-faith use of that mark for a significant period of time beforehand.

Might I suggest including a trademark notice in the footer of the Minetest site reading:

• 'Minetest' is a collective trademark of The Minetest Team

And also place a superscript "TM" where it states "Meet Minetest" on the homepage. Both of these measures will help to assert your common law rights to the collective trademark, and are almost certain to thwart any application for trademark registration.

For more reading about collective trademarks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_trade_mark

(NB: I'm not an attorney, nor does this information constitute legal advice.)

[red-001]

I think common law trademarks are very much a US thing, not sure if you can even have one if you are not using it to make money.

[Cpt_mcg]

So this is going a little bit offtopic, but still has something to do with OldCoder.

This is about his PM he is sending around, also known as the "Minetest Child Pornography" PM. My advice is NOT to open it, because he is trying to steal your personal information by doing so. I get alerted when someone sends me a PM from this forum on my email, and my email actually said (well more like alerted me) "Be careful with this message. It contains content that's typically used to steal personal information." I didn't bother opening the PM, because I don't see a need to.

So, if your going to open it, use a VPN, and be smart about it.

If you have any comments, feel free :)

[Gael de Sailly]

I don't really understand: is it opening the links it may contain and/or replying, or just reading the message, that allow him to steal information?

I don't ask for myself because I've not opened the spam at all :D

[angelo1123_]

This is what I was talking about when saying that filing for trademarks is one of the least bad things he's done

I'm starting to get confused here he seemednlike a nice person when I talked to him for 2 mins

[TumeniNodes]

I'm starting to get confused here he seemednlike a nice person when I talked to him for 2 mins

Because, regardless of my experience with him, I am sure he can be a nice person outside of all this mess..., until you disagree with him or he perceives you have threatened him.
This behavior seems brought on by a lifetime of stress and unfortunate circumstances, which can often bleed out into an entire personality.

It is what it is. But all of it is just really sad, and a great shame that common end users are targeted and spammed, especially when many are, young people... this sort of stuff can be frightening and confusing for them.
All in order to get back at people for one reason or another.
If any of it has truth, and there is proof, then it should be reported to the proper authorities, and let them handle it. That's all there really is to it. And I might add not doing so, would make anyone who had proof, just as guilty.
Strange none of this was ever mentioned before someone felt they got screwed over, isn't it? This is due to the fact, this is all about wanting to inflict as much malicious damage as possible, for revenge. Period.

Either way, trademarks are difficult to obtain, and there are many requirements involved, and this threat has been floating for quite some time.

Someone, is doing a lot of innocent people harm, while stating they are "fighting for what is right". And that is just "wrong".

[u19503]

This is what I was talking about when saying that filing for trademarks is one of the least bad things he's done

I'm starting to get confused here he seemednlike a nice person when I talked to him for 2 mins

this is my last comment on this topic

looks are deceiving (i tried to reason but it dident work)

i talked to him (2 or 3 days ago and now he wount beleve that my real name is toby
he thinks im undercover becouse i write like some other guy on the internet, like what XD

as i always say men die mij als vijand behandeld is en vijand
(dount try you cant translate it XD)

[GamingAssociation39]

This is what I was talking about when saying that filing for trademarks is one of the least bad things he's done

I'm starting to get confused here he seemednlike a nice person when I talked to him for 2 mins

this is my last comment on this topic

looks are deceiving (i tried to reason but it dident work)

i talked to him (2 or 3 days ago and now he wount beleve that my real name is toby
he thinks im undercover becouse i write like some other guy on the internet, like what XD

as i always say men die mij als vijand behandeld is en vijand
(dount try you cant translate it XD)

Right I believe that he had sent a pm to many people on this forum trying to tear everyone apart. I believe that we should all ignore him or he'll get what he wants.

[duane]

So this is going a little bit offtopic, but still has something to do with OldCoder.

This is about his PM he is sending around, also known as the "Minetest Child Pornography" PM. My advice is NOT to open it, because he is trying to steal your personal information by doing so. I get alerted when someone sends me a PM from this forum on my email, and my email actually said (well more like alerted me) "Be careful with this message. It contains content that's typically used to steal personal information." I didn't bother opening the PM, because I don't see a need to.

So, if your going to open it, use a VPN, and be smart about it.

If you have any comments, feel free :)

Ok, to try to head off any panic, I've examined the last PM notification sent to me, the last regular spam email I got from OldCoder (I've already perused all of the spam he sent me previously), as well as the source of the actual PM from OldCoder on the forum, and I find nothing technically suspicious in the contents.

(1) The PM notification doesn't even contain html, and the link is legitimate. Nothing to see here. Some spam messages do contain links with post data in them, but it's also used by trustworthy sites.

(2) The spam email contains typical html formatting and no links or attachments. I hate html in email, so I use claws mail which can't even run html (I advise everyone to do so), but I can still look at the full message/header text when I want to. There's nothing there worth worrying about.

(3) The source of the PM on forum.minetest.net is completely boring. There's some tame formatting and a few genuine links to his not-so-genuine site.

None of this is going to give the sender any information about you, unless the forums notify you that someone has received your messages. (I've never been notified.) The only way you're ever likely to get bitten by an email message is if it runs code (e.g. html) when you open it (don't let it), or if you click on a link (DO NOT, unless you know what you're doing).

It never hurts to examine the undoctored email source before you open it. It's a very good idea to disable html formatting. Running a vpn is always a good practice. However, OldCoder has not shown himself to be much of a hacker so far. In fact, I'm a little insulted by how little he's revealed about me -- I don't even use aliases on the Net. Maybe he's sending all his carefully crafted hacks to everyone except me, but I kind of doubt it.

[Joseph16]

So this is going a little bit offtopic, but still has something to do with OldCoder.

This is about his PM he is sending around, also known as the "Minetest Child Pornography" PM. My advice is NOT to open it, because he is trying to steal your personal information by doing so. I get alerted when someone sends me a PM from this forum on my email, and my email actually said (well more like alerted me) "Be careful with this message. It contains content that's typically used to steal personal information." I didn't bother opening the PM, because I don't see a need to.

So, if your going to open it, use a VPN, and be smart about it.

If you have any comments, feel free :)

Ok, to try to head off any panic, I've examined the last PM notification sent to me, the last regular spam email I got from OldCoder (I've already perused all of the spam he sent me previously), as well as the source of the actual PM from OldCoder on the forum, and I find nothing technically suspicious in the contents.

(1) The PM notification doesn't even contain html, and the link is legitimate. Nothing to see here. Some spam messages do contain links with post data in them, but it's also used by trustworthy sites.

(2) The spam email contains typical html formatting and no links or attachments. I hate html in email, so I use claws mail which can't even run html (I advise everyone to do so), but I can still look at the full message/header text when I want to. There's nothing there worth worrying about.

(3) The source of the PM on forum.minetest.net is completely boring. There's some tame formatting and a few genuine links to his not-so-genuine site.

None of this is going to give the sender any information about you, unless the forums notify you that someone has received your messages. (I've never been notified.) The only way you're ever likely to get bitten by an email message is if it runs code (e.g. html) when you open it (don't let it), or if you click on a link (DO NOT, unless you know what you're doing).

It never hurts to examine the undoctored email source before you open it. It's a very good idea to disable html formatting. Running a vpn is always a good practice. However, OldCoder has not shown himself to be much of a hacker so far. In fact, I'm a little insulted by how little he's revealed about me -- I don't even use aliases on the Net. Maybe he's sending all his carefully crafted hacks to everyone except me, but I kind of doubt it.

I use puffin for all my web browsing so it’s like a mega vpn as it uses virtual sessions to work. I got PM’d.

[duane]

I use puffin for all my web browsing so it’s like a mega vpn as it uses virtual sessions to work. I got PM’d.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. All he has to do to PM you is get your user id from the forums. Anyone can do that.

[ThomasMonroe]

In regards to OC's recent PM's:
Nothing that this man puts into writing is correct, it is all just a ploy to get us to fight over ourselves.
Let me address directly to OC himself: we WON'T be swayed by your attempts to destroy our community because
your attacks are based on falsehoods that you have dreamed up. And even if you obtain a trademark, there is enough forks of the project that someone will re-name it and start back up.

[ExeterDad]

I use puffin for all my web browsing so it’s like a mega vpn as it uses virtual sessions to work. I got PM’d.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. All he has to do to PM you is get your user id from the forums. Anyone can do that.

His PM's appear to be individual. He just needs to record the message ID with the username he is sending it to. Notice all the URL's to our posts and PM's end with a p=XXXXXXXX. Then when you clickthrough his links...
Then his webserver (logs or script) just needs to check the referring URL and see if that recorded "p" number matches up with usernames. If so, then he is able to link your name to the IP that he has access to from his server. Then he can do a geoip on that and most often get the location of your town. It's not much, but he holds tidbits of personal data on people dear to his heart :/

[Vapalus]

My advice is NOT to open it, because he is trying to steal your personal information by doing so.

Unless he is able to hack this forum via cross site scripting, it is not possible to steal personal information via PM.
Please don't scare people.

[Vapalus]

Then he can do a geoip on that and most often get the location of your town.

Right, the ISPs handle data differently...
Geolocation does not really work with ISPs in Germany, unless you use cable.
But, I don't mind him knowing where I live. There is almost 1.5 Million people in Munich, not even counting the suburbs.
Even if I gave him my parent's phone number, I doubt they would understand what he was talking about.

Also, it's creepy when unemployed elder men write anonymous PMs to kids.

[PolySaken]

i received a disturbing pm of this nature.
the account then was deleted,
and then i got an empty email from an adress that read
fappammybomme-2909@yopmail.com
yop is a random address generator so how did this happen?