Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:17
This is typical MT thread ... 2 years and 4 month ... and no solution.
But don't give up ... maybe in 10 years ... as last person here ... will get the solution ...
Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:17
On the other hand, Cube 2: Sauerbraten is pretty much dead (1-2 active servers with somethimes less than 5-10 players worldwide) is happily living in the Wikipedia. Maybe they hate Minetest because Microsoft gives them money every now and then? People who pay the band decide what they play.mcaygerhard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 20:28is a common sense.. check the user base of the crap 5.X user base servers.. max player at same time are just.. 40? 50? please.. is.. pitiful amoutn.. compared to the user based of ecuacraft (minecraft server) around 500 to 1000
yes! was the same for VenenuX linux distro.. never wikipedia admins permits to put an article.. i guess them just hate minetest..Linuxdirk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 07:01On the other hand, Cube 2: Sauerbraten is pretty much dead (1-2 active servers with somethimes less than 5-10 players worldwide) is happily living in the Wikipedia. Maybe they hate Minetest because Microsoft gives them money every now and then? People who pay the band decide what they play.mcaygerhard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 20:28is a common sense.. check the user base of the crap 5.X user base servers.. max player at same time are just.. 40? 50? please.. is.. pitiful amoutn.. compared to the user based of ecuacraft (minecraft server) around 500 to 1000
I'm confused, how are the developers forcing you to upgrade? I run Devuan stable (basically just Debian stable minus SystemD) which means my libraries are years behind most other distros, and Minetest runs fine.mcaygerhard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 15:03but we must take in consideration that developers never thinks around real players (kids and guys that dont care about that constants upgrades and new requirements)
in my case by example i dont upgrade my perfectly working machine to newer linux cos is only user to play games.. not for work! or browse the web!
look up "long term support window" and "windows HAL" <--- something that linux does NOT haveMantar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 17:39I'm confused, how are the developers forcing you to upgrade? I run Devuan stable (basically just Debian stable minus SystemD) which means my libraries are years behind most other distros, and Minetest runs fine.mcaygerhard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 15:03but we must take in consideration that developers never thinks around real players (kids and guys that dont care about that constants upgrades and new requirements)
in my case by example i dont upgrade my perfectly working machine to newer linux cos is only user to play games.. not for work! or browse the web!
And you know that upgrading a Linux OS doesn't cost anything, right? I mean it may be a hassle or break things on some of those distros out there -- I had a bad experience with upgrading Mint's weird Franken-buntu arrangement and never looked back, for one example, but on most distros upgrades should be seamless and cause no trouble.
you're wrong. linux has "forced upgrades" because drivers are compiled directly into the kernel . so you cant use the software with the wrong hardware. its planned obsolesence by design. the hardware companies love it.Mantar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 19:13There was a "HAL" on Linux and FreeBSD, it was replaced ages ago with udev.
LTS depends on your distro, but you can pay a number of places for all the support you want. Most Linux users don't pay for support in the first place, though. My experience has been that most support call centres just read off a prewritten list, or if you're lucky, somebody there will google the problem.
So no, Linux has both of those, and neither has very much to do with forcing someone to upgrade. Hell there are drivers for twenty-five year old devices that are shipped with the Linux kernel, good luck getting those to work on Windows 10. I forgot what it was like to even have to deal with device drivers at all, until my nephew wanted Windows earlier this year, it's a pain in the ass.
I don't know. I use Linux since 2005 and I was never forced to upgrade. I just wanted to :D
Either don't use hardware from those manufacturers that only provide binary blobs, or else get used to them being able to dictate when you have to buy a new one. That's not the fault of the Linux folks, it's specific manufacturers doing that to you, and you can and should vote with your wallet for somebody who treats you better.
wrong its the linux kernel and the way its structured. there are tons of graphics cards from the 90s that had open source drivers that are now removed from the kernel because of the maintenance overhead. its not robust & its dictated by the kernel team not the manufacturer.Mantar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 17:20Either don't use hardware from those manufacturers that only provide binary blobs, or else get used to them being able to dictate when you have to buy a new one. That's not the fault of the Linux folks, it's specific manufacturers doing that to you, and you can and should vote with your wallet for somebody who treats you better.
I have decade old ATI cards that work fine because the drivers are open sourced and thus shipped with the kernel. Any breakage is fixed by the kernel team before release, and you don't have to worry about whether the manufacturer wants you to upgrade.
also you totally failed to perceive my point here. I just explained how open source drivers stop working when the manufacturer decides to stop supporting them. do you think the current mesa team could maintain the AMD drivers if AMD went under (bought by china) ? your entire argument is contingent on mass efforts of unpaid and unnecessary labor meant to prop up the linux kernel's bad decisionsMantar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 17:20Either don't use hardware from those manufacturers that only provide binary blobs, or else get used to them being able to dictate when you have to buy a new one. That's not the fault of the Linux folks, it's specific manufacturers doing that to you, and you can and should vote with your wallet for somebody who treats you better.
I have decade old ATI cards that work fine because the drivers are open sourced and thus shipped with the kernel. Any breakage is fixed by the kernel team before release, and you don't have to worry about whether the manufacturer wants you to upgrade.
just isn't true, there are tons of open drivers in the kernel right now for closed-source hardware that manufacturers do not support. It's uncommon for graphics cards, due to the complexity, but for other hardware it's not rare. Even then, the nvidia open source drivers mostly work despite getting no support from nvidia. For basic 2d stuff they're fine despite lack of official manufacturer support.open source drivers stop working when the manufacturer decides to stop supporting them
sure. I also think its cool that someone maintains wifi card drivers out of their own time. too bad this doesn't address any of the problems I mentioned.Mantar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 17:54So we've drilled down to "there are 30 year old graphics cards whose drivers broke, and nobody existed who both had one of these archaic things still installed and felt like fixing the driver, so they got removed from the kernel" is now what is meant by "the Linux kernel team is forcing you to upgrade." I could go find you a card in a dumpster that's newer than that. This is starting to get silly.
Also,just isn't true, there are tons of open drivers in the kernel right now for closed-source hardware that manufacturers do not support. It's uncommon for graphics cards, due to the complexity, but for other hardware it's not rare. Even then, the nvidia open source drivers mostly work despite getting no support from nvidia. For basic 2d stuff they're fine despite lack of official manufacturer support.open source drivers stop working when the manufacturer decides to stop supporting them
Yes we know we need to ship a better game running on a better engine. The game you're looking for is Mineclone2 but more complete. We all know Minetest Game sucks and we need to move past it, and in typical fashion you conflate the two. But you seem to ignore the fact that the goal of Minetest is to be an engine. It doesn't succeed at that yet either, definitely not feature parity with Minecraft. So Mineclone cannot be perfect and nor is the competition, i.e. other games for Minetest Engine, particularly strong, or rather if it is it's somewhat doomed to obscurity.
I think that many of the points brought up here are reasonable, but you seem to have a misconception: "Minetest" as an engine, and "Minetest Game" which is shipped with it. That is a common misconception people have, since there is little differentiation between them: once you open the Minetest client, you immediately get shown the create world etc. screen, for Minetest Game. This is the main thing that I believe Minetest advertisement needs to focus on: to change people's thinking so instead of Minetest being "this one bad quality game that you can mod and also I guess you can download other games" it would be "A client for many games, which you can also add mods to easily". There seems to be progress with this in the new UI changes, but I think a necessary step to take is to just not include any games at all, and make the screenshots have more explanation like "you can't get this just by downloading Minetest Engine, but here are some cool games and mods that people have made". Trying to copy Minecraft is an uphill battle, instead of it, we should switch direction to being an engine + a lot of things made using it.TL;DR minetest singleplayer sucks, and its not advertising thats the issue, its the fact that singleplayer sucks
this is what minecraft did to LordPhyre's brain. prisoner mindset. its such a sick fantasy. he's here to find a new birdcage to lock himself in . he's asking us for help in this postLordPhyre wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 19:27Picture this (disregarding technicalities like food/water/sleep): You are forced to play Minetest singleplayer for a week, 24 hours non-stop, by evil aliens. Sounds like hell to me.
But on the other hand, I would agree to playing Minecraft singleplayer for MONTHS 24 hours non-stop regardless of evil aliens.
Well right now, all mentions of Minetest describe it as a free, linux Minecraft.
Oh right yea, Minetest isn't a game, its an engine. That's confusing. As of right now, Minetest is advertised as a free, linux Minecraft clone, not an engine that you can mod easily.Wizard Of mkdir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:56I think that many of the points brought up here are reasonable, but you seem to have a misconception: "Minetest" as an engine, and "Minetest Game" which is shipped with it. That is a common misconception people have, since there is little differentiation between them: once you open the Minetest client, you immediately get shown the create world etc. screen, for Minetest Game. This is the main thing that I believe Minetest advertisement needs to focus on: to change people's thinking so instead of Minetest being "this one bad quality game that you can mod and also I guess you can download other games" it would be "A client for many games, which you can also add mods to easily".
Facts. send help.ywwv wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:50this is what minecraft did to LordPhyre's brain. prisoner mindset. its such a sick fantasy. he's here to find a new birdcage to lock himself in . he's asking us for help in this postLordPhyre wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 19:27Picture this (disregarding technicalities like food/water/sleep): You are forced to play Minetest singleplayer for a week, 24 hours non-stop, by evil aliens. Sounds like hell to me.
But on the other hand, I would agree to playing Minecraft singleplayer for MONTHS 24 hours non-stop regardless of evil aliens.
the first step of the cure is to uninstall your graphics card and limit the hours you play games and watch videos (of any kind) . you must replace your accumulative productivity with actualative productivity. you are a cyberserf withering away under the nordic grip of voxel entertainment.LordPhyre wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 13:54Facts. send help.ywwv wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:50this is what minecraft did to LordPhyre's brain. prisoner mindset. its such a sick fantasy. he's here to find a new birdcage to lock himself in . he's asking us for help in this postLordPhyre wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 19:27Picture this (disregarding technicalities like food/water/sleep): You are forced to play Minetest singleplayer for a week, 24 hours non-stop, by evil aliens. Sounds like hell to me.
But on the other hand, I would agree to playing Minecraft singleplayer for MONTHS 24 hours non-stop regardless of evil aliens.
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