DMCA for WorldCraft 3D.

[Chiantos]

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[Linuxdirk]

The CDB itself is open source (like the master server). So there is absolutely no problem in providing customers/users with an own version of the CDB (and/or server list).

This is pretty much the opposite of censorship.

[Chiantos]

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[TalkLounge]

but the fact that the NC is not compatible with the LGPL.

Doesn't need to be compatible. For singleplayer and server CC BY-NC works as license.

nothing prevents you from creating your own project as I do, it's OpenSource.

I don't want to create my own project. I want to publish my mods, because I wrote them anyway and want to publish them for other server admins or singleplay users. Just because I'm pleasant.

But if you distribute under an incompatible license with ContentDB

Isn't incompatible. Content db isn't advertised. And still if, I think content db only links github.

There is no question of ethics or morals here

Sure. I won't support forks with ads. Either I'm allowed on content db or not. I won't change my license. I fight against forks. Just accept it.
And you can't compare me with forks. Forks violating the license by not linking that's a minetest project. And forks making money with no effort(For me that's moralic inacceptable). I just want to publish my mods. I'm doing nothing illegal or morally reprehensible. And if you disallow that I can publish my mods, then you will damage server owners and singleplayer users. You don't damage me in a way. Just ask every server admin and singleplayer user. They don't care about licenses. But they are angry if you disallow my mods. Because it's for them indifferent what license my mods have. As long as they are free for server usage, they will be glad to have less coding effort.

I would never use a code that is NC licensed

As programmer I agree. But not as a normal minetest player, who's testing and using minetest mods. And nobody forces you to use NC code. But it does not hurt anyone if I publish my mods. On the contrary. Many people can use them.

with an own version of the CDB

That's not an argument. You can use only one content db simultaneously. And be honest, 99% of the normal minetest players didn't even know, they can change the content db.
And still, I don't want to fork anything. I just want to help players with my still existing mods. And in this case, my license doesn't care.

[runs]

And in this case, my license doesn't care.

That's irrelevant, whether the players care about the license or not. Evidently some will give a shit about the license, others will. The reality is that Minetest has a GPL License. Perhaps your players won't mind if you make it more restrictive in your mods. But Minetest as a community, as an organism, does.

Minetest has to defend its principles that it is a free game, but not free of charge, but free to do whatever you want with it. And if you cut that freedom with more restrictive licenses on your mods, you're betraying the spirit of the Open Source. And that can't be consented to. Not for nothing, but because then will come those who want to sell their proprietary mods and will also say that they have the right to use Contentdb.

[rubenwardy]

So the website should be OpenSource and open to the communitty as well. Open Source linking to a private site? It's something strange and not right.

https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/

(That link is on every page of CDB)

The only thing I find incongruent is that contentdb belongs to only one person, the decision is exclusive to rubenwardy.

I host it, but that doesn't mean I have the sole decision-making power over it. The rest of the core developer team may be involved as much as they wish. In practice, no one seems to want to put any effort into checking and reviewing it.

There is one caveat - I refuse to host pornographic material, and if that was mandated then I'd stop hosting ContentDB.

ContentDB is hard-coded within Minetest (accessed through a button)

I understand what you mean, but I would like to point out the contentdb_url setting in minetest.conf: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl ... mple#L3018

Of course the content db hasn't a big censorship. But let the people publish the mods, but don't show them is more censorship, than terms of service.
When it would be terms of service, you would forbid closed license and don't allow them, but don't show them.

The only reason this is the case is that Debian and other distros mandate it. If we showed nonfree stuff by default, Minetest would be marked as nonfree. This default setting should be made more clever, and default to showing nonfree stuff on Windows and Android, but I never got around to doing that. It would also require showing the licenses and a non-free warning in-menu.

[runs]

Come on, man, I ain't got nothing on you. As you say, talking doesn't kill anyone. I'd have a joint with you to make me laugh, but we're not friends.

So go well, buddy.

I could be wrong of course

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I wrote a script, what parses the pinned comment under the video:

Code: Select all

local apps = [[00:02:52 Multicraft: Pocket Edition: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchapp.multipecraft 10 Millions
00:04:03 MultiCraft - Free Miner!: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.multicra.prodacze 100 Thousand
00:05:35 Multi Craft: Mini Block Town: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=multi.craft.mini.block.town.creative.craft 100 Thousand
00:07:38 Mini Block Craft: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mini.block.craft.free.mc 10 Millions
00:09:34 Master for Minecraft launcher: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundhog.mcpemaster 50 Millions
00:09:52 RealmCraft Block Craft Spiele with Minecraft Skins: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tellurionmobile.realmcraft 10 Millions
00:15:50 MOD-MASTER for Minecraft PE (Pocket Edition) Free: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appblockgames.freecraftexploration 50 Millions
00:16:05 Megacraft - Pocket Edition: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.minicraft.pocketedition2019 5 Millions
00:16:15 Block Craft 3D Kostenlos: Simulator Spiele Gratis: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fungames.blockcraft 100 Millions
00:17:58 Exploration Pro: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.truegames.explorationpro2018 10 Millions
00:19:01 Crafting and Building: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mmarcel.cnb2 10 Millions
00:19:52 World Craft: Survival: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stechapp.worldcraft 5 Millions
00:21:31 Siberia Craft: Winter Hunter: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stechapp.siberiacraft 1 Million
00:22:32 Blockwelt - Exploration Lite Craft: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mousemobile.explorationcraft 10 Millions
00:24:34 Exploration: World Craft miner Online: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funketapps.games.exploration 1 Million
00:27:03 PlanetCraft: Block Craft Spiel: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.craftgames.plntcrft 5 Millions
00:28:54 Best Crafting : Craft World Explore: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BestCrafting.Craft.World.Explore 100 Thousand
00:30:11 World Building Craft: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hsyecheng.blockworldcraft 1 Million
00:31:24 Schoolgirls Craft: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.inpocket.school.girls.craft 1 Million
00:32:18 Worldcraft : 3d Build & Craft Survival Spiele: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.craftgames.worldcrft 10 Millions
00:34:45 Block Craft World 3D: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.akgames.blockcraftworld 500 Thousand
00:35:05 Lucky Craft : Free Exploration: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=craft.free.mine.story 50 Thousand
00:37:26 PickCrafter - Idle Craft Game: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fiveamp.pickcrafterapp 10 Millions
00:37:52 CRAFT: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.meigee.tm.CRAFT 1 Million
00:38:51 London Craft: Konstruktions- und Bauspiele 2018: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.survivalcrafting.crafting.building.minecraft.free.pocket.exploration.lite.london.craft.bus.subway.yellow.taxi.city.builder 1 Million
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00:46:30 Bed Wars: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sandboxol.indiegame.bedwar 10 Millions
00:49:18 You Craft: Block Craft Spiele: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.exploration.youcraft 100 Thousand
00:49:31 Buildcraft: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abc.buildcraft 1 Million
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00:51:23 SkyBlock - Craft your island: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playstarz.skyblock 1 Million
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00:55:49 Exploration Craft 3D: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mine.explorationcraft 10 Millions
00:59:39 Worldcraft: Exploration Lite: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funketapps.games.worldcraft2 500 Thousand
01:02:59 Free World: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abc.freeworld 100 Thousand
01:04:00 Starve Game: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abc.starve 1 Million]]

local earning_per_ad = 0.02--Cent per seen ad
local ads_seen_per_open = 4--Ads shown per open of app
local open_app = 2--How often the app will be opened

local downloads_counter = 0

for timestamp, game, link, downloads, unit in apps:gmatch("(.-)%s(.-):%shttps(.-)%s(%d+)%s(.-)%W") do
	link = "https".. link
	if unit:find("Thousand") then
		downloads = downloads * 1000
	elseif unit:find("Million") then
		downloads = downloads * 1000000
	end
	unit = nil
	downloads_counter = downloads_counter + downloads
  print(timestamp, game, link, downloads)
end

print("Downloads of all apps:", downloads_counter)
print("Earings of all apps(in $):", (downloads_counter * open_app * ads_seen_per_open * earning_per_ad) / 100)

Can be viewed on pastebin as well: https://pastebin.com/SXAD1tjj

Output
Downloads of all apps: 385750000
Earings of all apps(in $): 617200

Just try yourself by changing the variables earning_per_ad, ads_seen_per_open & open_app

Yes. There are limits to things: No commercial mods

Is CC BY-NC not enough anti commercial? Or what do you mean with that?

no sex

Forbid coarse language isn't the same like ban a license. Every mod needs a license, but you forbid some licenses, so you want that people will publish the mods under a specific license and don't have the freedom of all license. That's pressure with no reason, except that forks can use them in future as well and earn money with it.
And licenses can be changed. The topic of a mod not.

Simply that contentdb is not the right place.

In future all mods will be loaded over content db and not by adding them manual over the forum.

Are you confusing a license that is something legal with the moral that refers to the branch of philosophy that is ETHICS?

If the minetest community would fight against forks, that are illegal, because violating the license, there would be no problem to use a more free license(Almost no app in google play links that it's a minetest project).
But that didn't happen, so I need to use my legal weapons to fight against them, by using a more closed license. And if the publisher on google play would be more respectful and pay a bit of money back to minetest, there would be no reason for me to use more closed licenses.
Only when the moral is no longer working you need to have rules. And in this case, I use a more closed license.
If everyone would be kind, the world wouldn't need rules.

This is insulting to all the people who receive actual, real, and oppressive censorship

Of course the content db hasn't a big censorship. But let the people publish the mods, but don't show them is more censorship, than terms of service.
When it would be terms of service, you would forbid closed license and don't allow them, but don't show them.

PS: I cannot ban anything. I am nothing here :-D

But it's important to discuss about that. That will change the future of minetest, if closed licenses are allowed or not.

[LMD]

Just use the Non Profit Open Source License version 3 (NPOSLv3).

[TalkLounge]

No.