Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by Zughy » Post

Fine, before I start with philosophical topics nobody wants to hear about:

can we have a Matrix official blessing, providing an alternative to the ones coming from Discord with the hope they could approach free software, and also being consistent with the message behind Minetest?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by Lone_Wolf » Post

Just peeked at Element and it looks like it's a lot nicer and easier to use than any IRC client I've ever touched.

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Re: Proposal: migrate from IRC to Element

by Quiark » Post

Linuxdirk wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 08:02
v-rob wrote:
Sat Oct 10, 2020 20:14
I would migrate from IRC to Element if everyone else migrated too.
Is this “Element” thing open source and can it be accessed from command line on a remote server connected to via SSH and can the client be run as service or in a tmux session? (This is no made-up example, this is how I accessed IRC using irssi running on a server.)
This way of using IRC exists to overcome IRC's shortcomings (such as not keeping messages for you). Modern chat services don't have these issues, they handle it for you. You can connect to your account any time from any place (and in the case of Matrix, using multiple different clients).

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Re: Proposal: migrate from IRC to Element

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Quiark wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 01:19
You can connect to your account any time from any place (and in the case of Matrix, using multiple different clients).
I prefer connecting to my accounts from one single place using one single client.

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Re: Proposal: migrate from IRC to Element

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Linuxdirk wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 08:02
Is this “Element” thing open source and can it be accessed from command line on a remote server connected to via SSH and can the client be run as service or in a tmux session?
The Element client is web-based, so no but Matrix, the protocol it uses has CLI clients made for it:
https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/weechat-matrix

As an IRC old timer I love the flexibility of a simple, published, human-readable protocol, but let's face it, IRC misses a few features. Give Matrix a try and a bit of love! Hopefully it will be one day able to displace the "feature rich" proprietary solutions.

Linuxdirk wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 05:13
I prefer connecting to my accounts from one single place using one single client.
No my dude. In 2020 you are supposed to devote a screen and 8 cores to run all the clients and tabs your social circle uses! /s

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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by twoelk » Post

".. from one single client" ?
actually I hate software that is bound to having to use one single device.
I love to use whatever device I come along and often use several different clients to connect to the same service.

so extreme portability, running from one folder, as few changes as possible to the host system and the possability to use whatever client runs on the specific hardware I happen to have at hand with some alternativ solutions to navigate around whatever problems might pop up, that's what I have learned to prefer but then again that's my personal environment, constantly having to work on different ever changing setups ... and by the way I'm on the other hand no great fan of clouds or all to slim clients because most things should always also work offline (in communications at least to some degree like browsing local archives). I actually do have versions of wikipedia on an usb stick when I travell.

as to the topic:
keep IRC !!
but open up as many bridges as the at the moment ever changing "modern" newest gadgettery needs. Only the furure will show what is here to stay and as such the minetest community should stay open for new trends and connect to them ... and the next hype ... and to the one after that ... and to whatever follows that ... etc

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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by v-rob » Post

Zughy wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 21:46
Fine, before I start with philosophical topics nobody wants to hear about:

can we have a Matrix official blessing, providing an alternative to the ones coming from Discord with the hope they could approach free software, and also being consistent with the message behind Minetest?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
Missed this earlier. I've seen that the Matrix <-> IRC bridge seems to work and doesn't affect IRC negatively at all, so I would say yes unless anyone can raise any objections for why not to make it official. I don't see any reason not to.

A GitHub issue is probably the place to actually get this stuff voted on by the core devs. AFAIK, very few core devs regularly view the forums or more than skim topics like these. (Personally, I think that the forums are the most important place of communication Minetest has, which is why I regularly look through it.)
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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by Lone_Wolf » Post

I'm fine with Matrix having an official blessing.
I'm against removing the Discord bridge though and would appreciate it if the Discord could get an official blessing too

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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by eyekay » Post

I don't think that the Discord bridge should be removed. Why? Either we can go with having Discord: a free software which everyone uses and is not, well, evil company backed, or we can use something which no one uses (element) only
Neither should be forced
We will lose a huge portion of the community without Discord
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Re: Proposal: make Matrix official as much as IRC and remove Discord bridge

by Lone_Wolf » Post

eyekay wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 02:58
We will lose a huge portion of the community without Discord
There would just be an unofficial Discord like there is right now

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