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Microsoft accounts required to use Minecraft in 2021

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Here's an opportunity for the Minetest community and teams to seize upon:

Microsoft is going to require a Microsoft account to play Minecraft in 2021.
source: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3587130 ... -play.html
press release: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article ... ving-house

User feedback available here (to summarize, lots of grumbling and frustration) https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comm ... equires_a/

Not sure when this will be required for Github, but I'm sure that's just a matter of time. *hint* *hint*

Maybe put out a press release or marketing materials that champions the freedoms and features that Minetest offers to players? I just see that as a competitive opportunity. I hope perhaps we'll get a few more people joining us when this kicks off or that it creates a higher barrier of entry for new Minecraft players and they'll consider alternatives.

I will likely post something about this on my own website/game before or near when the change takes place, but that is currently postponed as I develop a more pressing enterprise I manage. What do you guys think? Is this an opportunity for Minetest to offer a better alternative to use?
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If someone is wondering... Yes, MT will be abandoning Github the day Microsoft accounts are required there.

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I wouldn't say I knew it, but oh boy ... I KNEW IT.

Same will happen to GitHub sooner or later.

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"Kal kare so aaj kar, aaj kare so abhi"

Hindi proverb meaning: Don't leave till tomorrow what you can do today, don't leave till later what you can do now

There is a decent chance that M$ accounts with be required for GitHub in the future, then why wait for them to kick MT out? Why not start shifting to other services when it is possible?
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celeron55 wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 17:28
If someone is wondering... Yes, MT will be abandoning Github the day Microsoft accounts are required there.
*grabs popcorn*

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eyekay wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 18:35
Why not start shifting to other services when it is possible?
I so hope there will be a self-hosted instance of whatever collaborative Git web front-end at git.minetest.net.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

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I don't like to partake in these controversial threads, but
Linuxdirk wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 17:38
Same will happen to GitHub sooner or later.
eyekay wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 18:35
There is a decent chance that M$ accounts with be required for GitHub in the future
No, it is not likely. GitHub would more likely find a loophole in the shareholder control or forfeit the organization to Microsoft than cut their userbase to 1%. And I think Microsoft knows this, too. It just isn't profitable. The only reason they can afford to do this for Minecraft is because a good portion of Minecraft users already have Microsoft accounts, and anyone who doesn't probably won't care. There are very few people that actually care and play Minecraft.
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This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
Well, no. It's not.
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Can someone please explain the difference between having an account for a service which is owned by Microsoft, and having an account for several services owned by Microsoft?
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I responded to another post about this earlier.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25538
Most will believe I'm insane for all I said but just watch, because I'm definitely not insane.
Of course, that is exactly what an insane person would say but... I view those who think what I said to be ridiculous as the actual insane ones.
Too brainwashed to think anything like the truth. And that's exactly what they want.
This way no one will listen to people like me, and they will just go with whatever they're told to do.
(This is how globalism/socialism works, they use psychological tricks), even highly intelligent people can be tricked by them. But only those who are followers of social trends.

This will definitely hit github soon
But there is something people are not thinking about...
How long before MS says a microsoft account will no longer be free, but will require a monthly payment of $29.95 per mo. and they won't do anything like a month to month payment plan, it will be the $29.95 per mo or required to pay for the entire year.

Maybe they'll even lock people into contracts like Verizon, where you pay a big penalty for cancelling before the contract runs out...
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GreenXenith wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 20:04
I don't like to partake in these controversial threads, but
Linuxdirk wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 17:38
Same will happen to GitHub sooner or later.
eyekay wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 18:35
There is a decent chance that M$ accounts with be required for GitHub in the future
No, it is not likely. GitHub would more likely find a loophole in the shareholder control or forfeit the organization to Microsoft than cut their userbase to 1%. And I think Microsoft knows this, too. It just isn't profitable. The only reason they can afford to do this for Minecraft is because a good portion of Minecraft users already have Microsoft accounts, and anyone who doesn't probably won't care. There are very few people that actually care and play Minecraft.
Linuxdirk wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 19:44
This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
Well, no. It's not.
It is profitable, because most people will simply do it. Not that many users would leave. Not enough to make a big enough impact.
You think I'm wrong? Just watch.
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It will eventually come to GitHub just like all Microsoft services and platforms. They will integrate it into their services. Denying this is just cope. Look at the changes from Windows 7 to Windows 8/10. Its the trend for all tech/SaSS and Github is a critical piece of service. They're already building dependencies on Github with gamification (awards/rewards/points) to get you personally invested and locked into it. Linkedin has been creeping into Office, Outlook, Teams, all that enterprise software that is integrated now into Azure AD, Exchange. Its all cloud-based now and integrated into central dependent services. Its like that for everything with social media and Apple/MS/Goog. I just don't understand how you can make a compelling argument that this isn't a risk of the platform in the future. You would be better off transferring now. But sure, I guess there isn't an *immediate* risk until it actually happens, but I'm sure the terms say they can change it up on you suddenly. But when all your connections, teams, and habits use that software it will be much more difficult to switch later than it would be now. I'm not on it, I personally don't care.

When they do this, its an opportunity for growth for independent or self-hosted alternatives. I think most of the people aware of this have already been transitioning away from Github. There are plenty of other git alternatives so that's good. Honestly, the people that don't get this now probably won't easily be convinced at this point, just let it happen to them. There have been plenty of posts and arguments about this already. I'm not going to waste my precious and limited time arguing with people that remain oblivious or willfully ignorant for the sake of their own conveniences.

I'm sure the people that signed up for a Mojang account originally didn't expect their accounts and information to merge into Microsoft. Minecraft will be integrated into the Microsoft services and use its user-base (mostly children and young people) to build dependencies on Microsoft software services more aggressively now. All available information will be sync'd and used. That is why a lot of people are frustrated, even if they don't realize exactly what is going to happen yet. Many innately know this is coming. They will be assimilated into the Microsoft sphere of control and influence.

Hopefully Minetest can pick up some new people from this though. Some will drop out as many of us have at some point. Oh, then but then they'll end up needing a Microsoft/Github account to contribute to core projects.
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FreeGamers wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 01:35
Honestly, the people that don't get this now probably won't easily be convinced at this point, just let it happen to them. There have been plenty of posts and arguments about this already. I'm not going to waste my precious and limited time arguing with people that remain oblivious or willfully ignorant for the sake of their own conveniences.
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Didn't Mojang also require an account to play Minecraft before they sold to MS?

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This is how globalism/socialism works, they use psychological tricks
You realize this is a corporation doing capitalistic things, right? It's in their best interest to centralize accounts overall (with some potential digression depending on who the target audience is for a given service). Nothing about this is conspiratory or strange, in fact I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner since most every other company has done something similar with whatever services they buy up/create.

I also still fail to see how this is worse than a separate account with the same company, since Mojang already requires an account to play Minecraft (legally).

I'd also like to add that this feels much more like an off-topic discussion at this point, and probably doesn't belong in the General section anymore.
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benrob0329 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 17:45
I also still fail to see how this is worse than a separate account with the same company, […]
It’s not about multiple accounts with the same company, it’s about the company.

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benrob0329 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 17:45
I'd also like to add that this feels much more like an off-topic discussion at this point, and probably doesn't belong in the General section anymore.
I brought this up because this change can have direct implications for Minetest as a community growth opportunity. It fits a general discussion about the project. What will happen with Github is related and symmetrical to what is happening to Minecraft, but people are steering the discussion towards Github probably because we have a large number of software developers here. But even that is something that fits this topic. I'm more interested in what this change and this event can mean for Minetest. That topic fits quite well here in the general discussion. But, I see people suggest closing/locking/moving topics frequently when they don't like the topics being discussed. I hope that's not what you are trying to do because you disagree with what others are discussing here. It's not right to censor or silence people because you disagree with what they are saying. That's tyrannical. But, I'm hoping to see some replies about the topic I posted and am hopeful to see some discussion about it. The topic has only been up for a day.

Also, I updated the original post with the official press release and marketing video from Microsoft/Mojang about the Microsoft account requirement. I can see how if you weren't using a Microsoft account on your Windows personal computer, then sign into Minecraft with your Microsoft account that likely might associate your collected personal information on Windows 10 with your email address and phone number (two factor authentication is coming to Minecraft as well with this change). So they can more directly associate your content, preferences, and communications with your identifiers.

What I really wanted to bring away from this is this could be a nice opportunity to prepare to put out a future communication or press release (around/during the time of the Microsoft account mandate) stating that Minetest is free from these types of data collection and requirements and is a great alternative for fun, privacy, and open source development.
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Re: Microsoft accounts required to use Minecraft in 2021

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Anyone who's serious about getting new users to Minetest will try to fix every bug or problem that pushes people away when they first try the game. First of all, the Android app controls need to be improved, and various people have complained about this, including on the app's page on Google Play. Secondly, as I just posted under the "Problems" section, I have some people who can't right-click in Minetest on an older macbook, and we've tried everything. They were ready to go with Minetest on my own server then saw that it wasn't working right, so then they purchased Minecraft. (funny thing, as I mention there, it doesn't work on Minecraft either). Just having an alternative button for right-click would solve it, but that option doesn't seem to exist anywhere.

It may sound like an old cliche, but just getting the bugs or other problems out of people's way will go a long way to retaining new users. I think Minetest 5 does so much now there's no need for Minecraft.

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It’s not about multiple accounts with the same company, it’s about the company.
But, it's the same company...
It's not right to censor or silence people because you disagree with what they are saying.
I hold no power to do this, and never support such practices. I'm surprised at this statement, though I suppose I understand why you said it. My point was that this was starting to divulge into conspiracy theories about Github's future, not anything directly MT-related.

For the record, I support the usage of other Git host. I myself switched to Gitlab long before the Microsoft buyout, simply because Gitlab is (mostly) open source and I believe that FOSS projects should be used to make FOSS projects.
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benrob0329 wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 21:10
I hold no power to do this, and never support such practices. I'm surprised at this statement, though I suppose I understand why you said it. My point was that this was starting to divulge into conspiracy theories about Github's future, not anything directly MT-related.
Its OK, it's not a personal attack or accusation, but censorship of other people's ideas and expressions is extremely common these days. I really get frustrated when I see it happening. It's part of why the civil discourse on politics, religion, nations, and other topics is so divisive too. If you can't hear the other side, you can't reason against others and find common ground or scrutinize ideas in a healthy combative manner. So, I really have to push back strongly when I see avocation of shutting down discussions. Like I said, it's nothing personal. It's just something that gets me ruffled up a bit. :)
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benrob0329 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 17:45
You realize this is a corporation doing capitalistic things, right? It's in their best interest to centralize accounts overall (with some potential digression depending on who the target audience is for a given service). Nothing about this is conspiratory or strange, in fact I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner since most every other company has done something similar with whatever services they buy up/create.

I also still fail to see how this is worse than a separate account with the same company, since Mojang already requires an account to play Minecraft (legally).

I'd also like to add that this feels much more like an off-topic discussion at this point, and probably doesn't belong in the General section anymore.
Socialism/Globalism is capitalism, without the general population being able to benefit, and in fact, end up suffering.
Elites ruling over peasants, is what socialism/globalism is about.
Socialism is pushed by elites, onto those who are easily manipulated/fooled by appealing to their emotions, and making them angry and violent, because their emotions override their logic and commonsense.

Aside from all of this, how will this impact the Minetest community?
Not even enough to notice.
It's really too bad Notch had not been smart enough to negotiate keeping the Java edition out of the original deal, with some form of agreement that it's development would go in a different direction.
He could have done it, and probably made even more $ out of such an agreement, while protecting a lot of the community from such events down the road.

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TumeniNodes wrote:
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Socialism/Globalism is capitalism, without the general population being able to benefit, and in fact, end up suffering.
You've been misinformed. Socialism simply means more taxes, which are used to pay for more public goods.
Anything else isn't socialism, even if it claims to be.
The general population benefits more under socialism, not less.
If you need an example, compare my country of Aotearoa with the US. NZ is highly socialist, and we have the highest human freedom index of any country, only 70 covid cases despite having 6 million residents, and virtually no economic trouble.

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PolySaken wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 02:14
TumeniNodes wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 00:37
Socialism/Globalism is capitalism, without the general population being able to benefit, and in fact, end up suffering.
You've been misinformed. Socialism simply means more taxes, which are used to pay for more public goods.
Anything else isn't socialism, even if it claims to be.
The general population benefits more under socialism, not less.
If you need an example, compare my country of Aotearoa with the US. NZ is highly socialist, and we have the highest human freedom index of any country, only 70 covid cases despite having 6 million residents, and virtually no economic trouble.
There is a huge difference between a "socialist" country, and a country which has good social programs.
Your country falls into the latter.
The fact that the govt, and people want to help those less fortunate in their country also does not imply being "highly socialist".
The US allows for unions (a socialist idea) but tweaked to fit.
The US also has a welfare system, which is a social program (loosely based on a socialist ideology)
These two example for the US, does not make the US a socialist country, nor "highly socialist".
It simply means that there are many good people who want to do the right thing, to help others in need.
Most of the general public in socialist countries are good and kind people, who were duped by criminals and people who are only out to help themselves.

I won't comment any further on these matters as I've strayed too far off topic.
All I will add, is that MS is not an entity which is out for the good of the people/consumers... and there is a rotten plan behind everything they do (and it's not just about capitalism)
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TumeniNodes wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 02:50
there is a rotten plan behind everything they do (and it's not just about capitalism)
Oh, you're one of those conspiracy theorists. That explains the weird political position.
Microsoft accounts being required for github will not affect github users, since as benrob pointed out. you already need a microsoft account to use github, just a different kind of microsoft account.

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As for Minecraft,
I suppose we'll have to see how Microsoft handles the Mojang account switchover in 2021 to have more information about what this means for Minecraft users (and perhaps speculations for github users) going forward. I think its already clear that those users will be assimilated into the Microsoft software ecosystem and likely influenced and manipulated more openly by that relationship.
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PolySaken wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 20:12
Oh, you're one of those conspiracy theorists. That explains the weird political position.
If that makes you feel better, then whatever...

Yeh... "weird", because it doesn't align with your positions.
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