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Minetest and Wikipedia

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Minetest featured in a PC magazine!!!
Wuzzy wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 21:58
Although even if Minetest were mentioned in a TV news show, it probably would still not get its own English Wikipedia article due to brigarding.
The more “mainstream” sources Minetest appears in, the harder it will be to justify exclusion from Wikipedia.
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And by extension, the ignorance from the mainstream leads to the willful exclusion from Wikipedia as well …
Just look at mainstream games publications. Free software simply does not exist there. This is something that is happening to ALL free software games, not just Minetest.
I am curious because there are articles about Minetest in twelve languages, but English is none of them. Does the Wikipedia community actively stop people from creating an English article?
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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LibraSubtilis wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 18:05
Does the Wikipedia community actively stop people from creating an English article?
Yes

Minetest had a wiki article about 8 years ago which is deleted. Now the page is locked, and any new pages must go through review before being published. This means that the editors are very harsh on Minetest, requiring it to have a much higher standard than other articles.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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That's really disappointing since Minetest is clearly noteworthy enough by now to qualify for its own article without all the red tape.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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If you want wikipedia to cover minetest, it has to meet the notability guidelines. There should be books about it, multiple articles in popular magazines, etc. that describe it in full. The minetest community seems large if you count the number of people who have ever tried it once, but there aren't that many that stick with it, and I rarely see anyone on the outside mention it (positively).
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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Fun fact: The Minetest article in the German Wikipedia is just doing well.

This is a fun fact because actually the German Wikipedia admin filterbubble is well known for deleting as many articles as possible.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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The exclusion seems to have happened a long time ago. I was wondering, if someone could create a small article in English and submit it. It would be weird to reject something that the community has accepted twelve times before. Then again, I don't know how consistent the Wikipedia community is.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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wikipedia articles for minetest were made numerous times in the english wikipedia ... all were deleted !
for each fail the standards rise for a new entry.
As for now anything from people activly involved with minetest is not accepted. Maybe even anybody that has ever posted on this forum is thus disqualified. The only safe way at the moment seems to be to have articles published about minetest in some other relevant media (tests and listings in gaming magazines seem to not count) and have it mentioned in scientific researches. Maybe and only maybe then an english wikipedia entry written by somebody who has never touched Minetest and can prove so might be accepted.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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and have it mentioned in scientific researches.
A lot tof educators seem to use Minetest, and some have even forked the engine as with kilbith. Yet for some reason, almost nobody finds enough incentive to write about Minetest's usefulness for these various different applications.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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Ok, technically, this does make sense due to the greater news coverage, but how silly is it that Huniepop has an entry, and Minetest doesn't? :)

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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English Wikipedia has been captured by marketing and PR firms, I hope you realize that by now. It's not a conspiracy, paid editors openly brag and gloat about how they're now the ones in charge:
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wiki ... ing-2013-1
https://www.legalmorning.com/the-reason ... ia-editor/

Straight from the horse's mouth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_editing_on_Wikipedia
- and that's only a list of those who were dumb enough to get caught.

My guess is that you're not allowed to have an article if you don't pay one of the shill companies to make one for you and guard it round the clock.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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hex wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 06:38
English Wikipedia has been captured by marketing and PR firms, I hope you realize that by now. It's not a conspiracy,
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My guess is that you're not allowed to have an article if you don't pay one of the shill companies to make one for you and guard it round the clock.
I haven't thought that it is a conspiracy and I don't believe your theory.
As I understand, Minetest was put into a category, so that the English Wikipedia community doesn't have to spend much time rejecting new submissions. This does make sense because some people would submit inappropriate content again and again. In my opinion, this should only be done for a limited amount of time.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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duane wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 22:26
There should be books about it, multiple articles in popular magazines, etc. that describe it in full.
Minetest was recently described in the 1/2021 and 1/2020 issues of a Polish computer magazine "Komputer Świat".
The magazine is a Polish licensed adaptation of the German "Computer Bild" If anybody in Germany has access to it, maybe somebody could say if it also includes Minetest. The magazine is also sold in Spain, Romania, Serbia, France, Russia, Italy, and the Czech Republic. Because it is one of the most popular computer magazines in Europe, maybe that would be enough to qualify it for a WikiPedia article...
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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MHL wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 18:32
Minetest was recently described in the 1/2021 and 1/2020 issues of a Polish computer magazine "Komputer Świat".
The magazine is a Polish licensed adaptation of the German "Computer Bild" If anybody in Germany has access to it, maybe somebody could say if it also includes Minetest. The magazine is also sold in Spain, Romania, Serbia, France, Russia, Italy, and the Czech Republic. Because it is one of the most popular computer magazines in Europe, maybe that would be enough to qualify it for a WikiPedia article...
That's great, but it's one magazine, and you said earlier that they didn't describe it very well. Compare that to 17 references from at least six sources (several of which, even I have heard of before) for something trivial like Huniepop. I suspect we need a lot more publicity.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

by Chrysolite Azalea » Post

There is the same situation with Wikipedia article -- there is one in Russian Wikipedia, there is one in Japanese Wikipedia, the one in English Wikipedia is deleted and protected from creation.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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Is it a conspiracy??
that minetest is not on the list of open source games ???
If you google "open source games" minetest does not appear in the filmstrip of thumbnails .
But if you google "top open source games " its shown as thumbnail
number 6 .
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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just for those interested here is the latest rejected draft as far as I noticed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Minetest

discussion seems to be going since 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... n/Minetest

there were way more, just can't find them at the moment

a warning!
just remember anybody involved with minetest should rather not edit anything in the article and this probably includes major forum posters as well.

By the way,
computer magazine articles that just describe the project with words that can hardly be distinguished from promotional material are never good sources.

Another by the way,
information from 'Computer Bild' is often not considered unbiased or reliable and as such often frowned upon as sole source for any information although 'Computer Bild' does have a slightly better reputation than the 'Bild Zeitung' itself.

I don't think there is a great conspiracy against Minetest as such, just a rather bad start and several misguided restarts by minetesters who cared and were thus disqualified regardless of the quality of information and minetest just never managed to get out of that corner of suspicious articles.

Promoting something while not allowed to look like promoting something is really difficult.
So people who want to promote minetest should by all means not touch the 'minetest on wikipedia' issue or even go near it but rather help to garner lots and lots of articles in relevant media. School projects or other educational projects for example need to be publicized as much as possible.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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The one thing that doesn't add up is how a whole lot of obscure programs and libraries do get to have articles. Being mentioned in the news as the sole condition is a bit of a joke.

But then again, look at the profile of the guy who actually made the deletion happen. I'll leave it at that.


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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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Linuxdirk wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 08:12
Fun fact: The Minetest article in the German Wikipedia is just doing well.

This is a fun fact because actually the German Wikipedia admin filterbubble is well known for deleting as many articles as possible.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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the article has very few sources in it. also it is mostly a description of minetest game. minetest game is not notable.

I have some friends ( immaterial concepts ) that could get this minetest page up on wiki pedia. the first one is called "brevity" . the second one is called " honesty".

minetest is a snake that eats its own tail. they can see right through it. this is because in a 2D space on the surface of a torus light would simply return to you from the other direction no matter what direction you projected it in. and this is what minetest is . they brought a flashlight to check.

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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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Wikipedia is a waste of time. It's not an encyclopedia for the general public, it's an encyclopedia for Wikipedia users. The vast majority of whom have the personalities of bullied middle school kids with problems. With Wikipedia, you will never win.
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Re: Minetest and Wikipedia

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That largely depends on where you are looking. Wikipedia is very useful when it comes to things like chemistry or biology, where facts abound. Or for history, where it is easy to cross reference with other encyclopedias or academic works. When you start getting to more and more subjective topics, the people who are most passionate will come out of the woodwork to give their opinion on the piece, which will always come with its own bias.

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