Minetest VS Minecraft
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Minetest VS Minecraft
Here is a page that compares Minetest to Minecraft.
Minetest VS Minecraft
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Minetest VS Minecraft
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Yes one idea: Please don't make it as biased! You keep on showing downfalls of minecraft, while there are many in minetest too. Also, some of the downfalls you mentioned in minecraft are not true.
For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's. Second, maybe java does not work on some computers, but Irrlicht either. If Java doesn't work on some odd computer, there is a huge chance that Irrlicht and minetest will not. Also, irrlicht and minetest does not run on android, which java can.
"Java is an inferior game development language". Man, that is as wrong as can be. Java is an excellent choice since it's easy and you can work on the game instead of the minor details.
So my point is: Research before you write things like that. Please.
EDIT: Also, the modding section is not true. Minecraft now has a modding API.
For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's. Second, maybe java does not work on some computers, but Irrlicht either. If Java doesn't work on some odd computer, there is a huge chance that Irrlicht and minetest will not. Also, irrlicht and minetest does not run on android, which java can.
"Java is an inferior game development language". Man, that is as wrong as can be. Java is an excellent choice since it's easy and you can work on the game instead of the minor details.
So my point is: Research before you write things like that. Please.
EDIT: Also, the modding section is not true. Minecraft now has a modding API.
Last edited by lkjoel on Tue Mar 12, 2013 20:27, edited 1 time in total.
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I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
No, they haven't done it on stable yet, but I remember I was able to use it on some sort of beta or something.xyz wrote:It seems it's not implemented yet. So at the moment Minecraft doesn't have modding API (point me to official API docs otherwise).
UPD: After a short research I figured they were claiming to implement API since around 2010.
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I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
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Uh, I get better framerates in Minecraft most of the time, even when I'm playing Terasology with medium settings (both at 1920×1080). Last time I tried was in August 2012, so maybe the performance was improved since then.lkjoel wrote:For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's.
On-topic: stereo sound isn't generally considered "3D sound" (which is anyway, kinda dead these days... *looks at EAX*), it's a basic feature for any game so it's not worth mentioning it.
You could also mention Minetest supports "HD" texture packs without a patcher (though Minecraft might do that in 1.5 since textures will be split just like in Minetest).
20€ isn't the price of an usual AAA game. Want an example? Tomb Raider costs 50€ on PC and 60€ on PS3.the website wrote:AAA price for an indie game.
This is incorrect -- players will only need modified clients if the server adds content, if it doesn't (eg. CraftBukkit), no modified client is needed.the website wrote:if players access a modified server, they need to modify their client.
The default framerate limit is 65 (a bit more than 60 to prevent tearing on some 60Hz screens), you can change it with fps_max (0 means no limit). It's a feature any game should have, it saves power and prevents unnecessary noise and heat.the website wrote:Framerate is limited to 60fps, which means that it saves processing power for more important things.
(the average screen is 60fps)
Fun fact: it is illegal to redistribute modified versions of Minecraft, this includes mods unless they come in a "patch" form.
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Yes, the performance has improved.Calinou wrote:Uh, I get better framerates in Minecraft most of the time, even when I'm playing Terasology with medium settings (both at 1920×1080). Last time I tried was in August 2012, so maybe the performance was improved since then.lkjoel wrote:For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
lol oh wait, yeah, you're right, it was an unofficial one. My friend just pointed me to a patched minecraft.jar I guess then.xyz wrote:So, can you point me to some API doc instead of saying you were able to use it (unless you're under NDA of course)?lkjoel wrote:No, they haven't done it on stable yet, but I remember I was able to use it on some sort of beta or something.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
Java is very slow. Minecraft barely runs on my system, and Terasology is completely unplayable on my system. Minetest runs fairly well though. My Minetest frame rate is about 30 FPS most of the time, and my Minecraft frame rate is about 5 FPS. Although, that's not why I don't like Minecraft.lkjoel wrote:For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's. Second, maybe java does not work on some computers, but Irrlicht either. If Java doesn't work on some odd computer, there is a huge chance that Irrlicht and minetest will not. Also, irrlicht and minetest does not run on android, which java can.
Then you have an issue with your java configuration. Java is actually quite fast, much faster than most other programming languages.0gb.us wrote:Java is very slow. Minecraft barely runs on my system, and Terasology is completely unplayable on my system. Minetest runs fairly well though. My Minetest frame rate is about 30 FPS most of the time, and my Minecraft frame rate is about 5 FPS. Although, that's not why I don't like Minecraft.lkjoel wrote:For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's. Second, maybe java does not work on some computers, but Irrlicht either. If Java doesn't work on some odd computer, there is a huge chance that Irrlicht and minetest will not. Also, irrlicht and minetest does not run on android, which java can.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I don't think it's an issue with my configuration, it's just my weak computer. But the point is that C++ is much faster than Java. Even on a stronger computer, where you can get Java running quickly, C++ is a lower level language, and therefore, is much faster.lkjoel wrote:Then you have an issue with your java configuration. Java is actually quite fast, much faster than most other programming languages.0gb.us wrote:Java is very slow. Minecraft barely runs on my system, and Terasology is completely unplayable on my system. Minetest runs fairly well though. My Minetest frame rate is about 30 FPS most of the time, and my Minecraft frame rate is about 5 FPS. Although, that's not why I don't like Minecraft.lkjoel wrote:For example, Java is NOT slow. Just check out terasology, which has way better graphics and SFX than minetest, and see how its framerate is much better than minetest's. Second, maybe java does not work on some computers, but Irrlicht either. If Java doesn't work on some odd computer, there is a huge chance that Irrlicht and minetest will not. Also, irrlicht and minetest does not run on android, which java can.
Yes, of course, but badly written C++ (prefect example: minetest) can be much slower than Java. Terasology is excellently written Java, and even on the highest settings, I get better framerates than in minetest (minetest is ~30 with barely any mods, Terasology is ~40-50 with highest settings and all mods available enabled).0gb.us wrote:I don't think it's an issue with my configuration, it's just my weak computer. But the point is that C++ is much faster than Java. Even on a stronger computer, where you can get Java running quickly, C++ is a lower level language, and therefore, is much faster.lkjoel wrote:Then you have an issue with your java configuration. Java is actually quite fast, much faster than most other programming languages.0gb.us wrote:
Java is very slow. Minecraft barely runs on my system, and Terasology is completely unplayable on my system. Minetest runs fairly well though. My Minetest frame rate is about 30 FPS most of the time, and my Minecraft frame rate is about 5 FPS. Although, that's not why I don't like Minecraft.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
Terasology won't even run (in a playable manner) on my system, and Minetest runs much better than Minecraft. If Minetest is so poorly written (and I won't even try to debate this), it's not written poorly enough to outweigh it's faster C++ language. Minetest runs raster and on fewer resources than Minecraft or Terasology.lkjoel wrote:Yes, of course, but badly written C++ (prefect example: minetest) can be much slower than Java. Terasology is excellently written Java, and even on the highest settings, I get better framerates than in minetest (minetest is ~30 with barely any mods, Terasology is ~40-50 with highest settings and all mods available enabled).0gb.us wrote:I don't think it's an issue with my configuration, it's just my weak computer. But the point is that C++ is much faster than Java. Even on a stronger computer, where you can get Java running quickly, C++ is a lower level language, and therefore, is much faster.lkjoel wrote: Then you have an issue with your java configuration. Java is actually quite fast, much faster than most other programming languages.
As I said, it's an issue with your configuration. Minetest is written in C++, but has lua mods, and lua is actually really slow. And minetest doesn't use any shaders, which makes it even more slow.0gb.us wrote:Terasology won't even run (in a playable manner) on my system, and Minetest runs much better than Minecraft. If Minetest is so poorly written (and I won't even try to debate this), it's not written poorly enough to outweigh it's faster C++ language. Minetest runs raster and on fewer resources than Minecraft or Terasology.lkjoel wrote:Yes, of course, but badly written C++ (prefect example: minetest) can be much slower than Java. Terasology is excellently written Java, and even on the highest settings, I get better framerates than in minetest (minetest is ~30 with barely any mods, Terasology is ~40-50 with highest settings and all mods available enabled).0gb.us wrote:
I don't think it's an issue with my configuration, it's just my weak computer. But the point is that C++ is much faster than Java. Even on a stronger computer, where you can get Java running quickly, C++ is a lower level language, and therefore, is much faster.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
My configuration is the default configuration. There's no reason why the default configuration would be (overly) slow. It's not my configuration that is the issue. Minetest is a faster game.lkjoel wrote:As I said, it's an issue with your configuration. Minetest is written in C++, but has lua mods, and lua is actually really slow. And minetest doesn't use any shaders, which makes it even more slow.0gb.us wrote:Terasology won't even run (in a playable manner) on my system, and Minetest runs much better than Minecraft. If Minetest is so poorly written (and I won't even try to debate this), it's not written poorly enough to outweigh it's faster C++ language. Minetest runs raster and on fewer resources than Minecraft or Terasology.lkjoel wrote: Yes, of course, but badly written C++ (prefect example: minetest) can be much slower than Java. Terasology is excellently written Java, and even on the highest settings, I get better framerates than in minetest (minetest is ~30 with barely any mods, Terasology is ~40-50 with highest settings and all mods available enabled).
EDIT: Prove me wrong. What do I need to do to "fix" my configuration?
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Alright, I see, you want to take the blue pill. If that's it, then fine, but I just find it kind of annoying0gb.us wrote:My configuration is the default configuration. There's no reason why the default configuration would be (overly) slow. It's not my configuration that is the issue. Minetest is a faster game.lkjoel wrote:As I said, it's an issue with your configuration. Minetest is written in C++, but has lua mods, and lua is actually really slow. And minetest doesn't use any shaders, which makes it even more slow.0gb.us wrote:
Terasology won't even run (in a playable manner) on my system, and Minetest runs much better than Minecraft. If Minetest is so poorly written (and I won't even try to debate this), it's not written poorly enough to outweigh it's faster C++ language. Minetest runs raster and on fewer resources than Minecraft or Terasology.
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
No, you must have started you post before I edited mine.lkjoel wrote:Alright, I see, you want to take the blue pill. If that's it, then fine, but I just find it kind of annoying0gb.us wrote:My configuration is the default configuration. There's no reason why the default configuration would be (overly) slow. It's not my configuration that is the issue. Minetest is a faster game.lkjoel wrote: As I said, it's an issue with your configuration. Minetest is written in C++, but has lua mods, and lua is actually really slow. And minetest doesn't use any shaders, which makes it even more slow.
And I don't know what sort of pills you're talking about, but I don't do drugs.0gb.us wrote:EDIT: Prove me wrong. What do I need to do to "fix" my configuration?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill0gb.us wrote:No, you must have started you post before I edited mine.lkjoel wrote:Alright, I see, you want to take the blue pill. If that's it, then fine, but I just find it kind of annoying0gb.us wrote: My configuration is the default configuration. There's no reason why the default configuration would be (overly) slow. It's not my configuration that is the issue. Minetest is a faster game.
And I don't know what sort of pills you're talking about, but I don't do drugs.0gb.us wrote:EDIT: Prove me wrong. What do I need to do to "fix" my configuration?
And fine, just turn off every graphics setting in the config.cfg in terasology. If it's still slow, then you have an old graphics card, and, well, minetest will of course run faster, but on every other system that has proper shader support, then no, it will be slower. Point is, it's not only the language that makes it faster, it's also what you do with it.
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I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
Ah. Movies and popular culture. Two things I am bad at.lkjoel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill0gb.us wrote:No, you must have started you post before I edited mine.lkjoel wrote: Alright, I see, you want to take the blue pill. If that's it, then fine, but I just find it kind of annoying
And I don't know what sort of pills you're talking about, but I don't do drugs.0gb.us wrote:EDIT: Prove me wrong. What do I need to do to "fix" my configuration?
And fine, just turn off every graphics setting in the config.cfg in terasology. If it's still slow, then you have an old graphics card, and, well, minetest will of course run faster, but on every other system that has proper shader support, then no, it will be slower. Point is, it's not only the language that makes it faster, it's also what you do with it.
Also, for some reason, I thought you were talking about my Java configuration (which is why I was being so stubborn that my configuration was fine), not my Terasology configuration. That is completely my bad. Sorry. I don't have time for games at the moment, but I will try your suggestion later tonight. Terasology is indeed beautiful, an it would be nice to get a chance to actually try it out.
I do know that what you do with the language matters, but so does the choice of language itself. Which is more important, optimized code, or an optimized language? Both are rather important, I think.
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Same here, it's just that the matrix was recommended to me over and over so I just had to watch it0gb.us wrote:Ah. Movies and popular culture. Two things I am bad at.lkjoel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill0gb.us wrote:
No, you must have started you post before I edited mine.
And I don't know what sort of pills you're talking about, but I don't do drugs.
And fine, just turn off every graphics setting in the config.cfg in terasology. If it's still slow, then you have an old graphics card, and, well, minetest will of course run faster, but on every other system that has proper shader support, then no, it will be slower. Point is, it's not only the language that makes it faster, it's also what you do with it.
Ok great You will might need to edit it by hand (and not by the GUI), because the GUI seems to do things wrong.0gb.us wrote: Also, for some reason, I thought you were talking about my Java configuration (which is why I was being so stubborn that my configuration was fine), not my Terasology configuration. That is completely my bad. Sorry. I don't have time for games at the moment, but I will try your suggestion later tonight. Terasology is indeed beautiful, an it would be nice to get a chance to actually try it out.
Yes of course, but Java is actually not that slow, so if minetest has heavily unoptimized code, and uses a heck of a lot of lua (which is a very slow language), then it will probably be slower than, say, terasology, where they use optimized Java, Java mods, and use a lot of shaders (which is one of the fastest, if not the fastest way to draw graphics).0gb.us wrote: I do know that what you do with the language matters, but so does the choice of language itself. Which is more important, optimized code, or an optimized language? Both are rather important, I think.
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I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
Okay, duly noted. I'll edit the file by hand.lkjoel wrote:Same here, it's just that the matrix was recommended to me over and over so I just had to watch it0gb.us wrote:Ah. Movies and popular culture. Two things I am bad at.Ok great You will might need to edit it by hand (and not by the GUI), because the GUI seems to do things wrong.0gb.us wrote: Also, for some reason, I thought you were talking about my Java configuration (which is why I was being so stubborn that my configuration was fine), not my Terasology configuration. That is completely my bad. Sorry. I don't have time for games at the moment, but I will try your suggestion later tonight. Terasology is indeed beautiful, an it would be nice to get a chance to actually try it out.Yes of course, but Java is actually not that slow, so if minetest has heavily unoptimized code, and uses a heck of a lot of lua (which is a very slow language), then it will probably be slower than, say, terasology, where they use optimized Java, Java mods, and use a lot of shaders (which is one of the fastest, if not the fastest way to draw graphics).0gb.us wrote: I do know that what you do with the language matters, but so does the choice of language itself. Which is more important, optimized code, or an optimized language? Both are rather important, I think.
You can tell by the fact that Lua is indexed fro one (not zero) that the Lua designers didn't know what they were doing. And that's only one of its quirks. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a very unoptimized language
Yes, exactly. If, persay, it used something like angelscript or pawn, then it would be so much faster, and plus, there wouldn't be as many useless mods0gb.us wrote:Okay, duly noted. I'll edit the file by hand.lkjoel wrote:Same here, it's just that the matrix was recommended to me over and over so I just had to watch it0gb.us wrote:Ah. Movies and popular culture. Two things I am bad at.Ok great You will might need to edit it by hand (and not by the GUI), because the GUI seems to do things wrong.0gb.us wrote: Also, for some reason, I thought you were talking about my Java configuration (which is why I was being so stubborn that my configuration was fine), not my Terasology configuration. That is completely my bad. Sorry. I don't have time for games at the moment, but I will try your suggestion later tonight. Terasology is indeed beautiful, an it would be nice to get a chance to actually try it out.Yes of course, but Java is actually not that slow, so if minetest has heavily unoptimized code, and uses a heck of a lot of lua (which is a very slow language), then it will probably be slower than, say, terasology, where they use optimized Java, Java mods, and use a lot of shaders (which is one of the fastest, if not the fastest way to draw graphics).0gb.us wrote: I do know that what you do with the language matters, but so does the choice of language itself. Which is more important, optimized code, or an optimized language? Both are rather important, I think.
You can tell by the fact that Lua is indexed fro one (not zero) that the Lua designers didn't know what they were doing. And that's only one of its quirks. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a very unoptimized language
My mods: The Nether | Doctor Who (WIP)
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
I have quit minetest ... again. I am heavily unimpressed by both the game and the community.
Why would that cut down on the number of useless "mods"?lkjoel wrote:Yes, exactly. If, persay, it used something like angelscript or pawn, then it would be so much faster, and plus, there wouldn't be as many useless mods
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