Did minetest get better than minecraft? comment your opinion

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by Pitriss » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:40

CheerfulCherub wrote:As much as I like this game, and I really do, how can you say Minetest is better than Minecraft, they have alot more things going on in Minecraft, they got dogs and cats you can tame, they got 3D playable characters in Singleplayer mode as well as creative mood, they got mobs, their Holidays textures are really nice, and their Mods seem to work better. The Nether in Minecraft is way bigger with really cool mobs. Having said all that, I like our textures better in this game, it's free and that a bonus in itself and they can afford to have all the things I said above because it a pay to play game. Working on refreshing my C++, took a class in College and I love it, so maybe I can help with some mod making to. This is just my opinion.

Just facts:
* Minetest world can be bigger (in height for sure)
* Minetest need way poorer pc than MC
* Minetest counts with moding (in MC it is more like hacking clients/servers)
* Minetest is opensource so it is completely free, everybody can modify it in the way how they like.
* Minetest can have mobs too
* In minetest can everybody create own game (even with minimal programing knowledge)

Thats what i know even without much thinking.. BTW I played minecraft 1 hour, so there will be much more points where is minetest better
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by MrElmux » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:50

Minetest vs Minecraft is the same question as Linux vs Windows. Minetest is better design but minecraft has simply the mass of users
The only thing we can do is pushing minetest to perfection (Both Game and Engine) and wait
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by CitroPotter » Thu Feb 06, 2014 13:25

hoodedice wrote:
CheerfulCherub wrote:As much as I like this game, and I really do, how can you say Minetest is better than Minecraft, they have alot more things going on in Minecraft, they got dogs and cats you can tame, they got 3D playable characters in Singleplayer mode as well as creative mood, they got mobs, their Holidays textures are really nice, and their Mods seem to work better. The Nether in Minecraft is way bigger with really cool mobs. Having said all that, I like our textures better in this game, it's free and that a bonus in itself and they can afford to have all the things I said above because it a pay to play game. Working on refreshing my C++, took a class in College and I love it, so maybe I can help with some mod making to. This is just my opinion.


...mods are written in .lua...

Dot lua(i am not sure)
I like Minetest as i am not good in fighting as in building.
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by hoodedice » Thu Feb 06, 2014 13:57

CitroPotter wrote:
hoodedice wrote:
CheerfulCherub wrote:-snip-


...mods are written in .lua...

Dot lua(i am not sure)
I like Minetest as i am not good in fighting as in building.


lua. NOT DOT LUA. JUST LUA. LUA. *cringe*
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by sfan5 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 14:49

CheerfulCherub wrote:and their Mods seem to work better.

Putting many big mods into MC will make it crash on startup because of mod incompatibilities.
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by PilzAdam » Thu Feb 06, 2014 18:38

hoodedice wrote:
CitroPotter wrote:
hoodedice wrote:
...mods are written in .lua...

Dot lua(i am not sure)
I like Minetest as i am not good in fighting as in building.


lua. NOT DOT LUA. JUST LUA. LUA. *cringe*

its Lua not LUA.
 

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by Novacain » Thu Feb 06, 2014 19:41

I think it's better in the simple fact that we are a close knit community. if you are active in the forums, chances are, you know most of the people.

one thing we do need though is someone who makes tutorials on how to build different types of houses, and give building tips. currently my only source for such videos are from MC. And although BloodZealous does a pretty good job, I would appreciate it in the minetest format instead.
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by Novacain » Thu Feb 06, 2014 19:43

PilzAdam wrote:
hoodedice wrote:
CitroPotter wrote:Dot lua(i am not sure)
I like Minetest as i am not good in fighting as in building.


lua. NOT DOT LUA. JUST LUA. LUA. *cringe*

its Lua not LUA.


yes, Lua as in the moon. so painful watching my dad (who is a programmer) name it LUA in his versioin of eclipse while showing me how to add the interface. fortunately, he canceled his install, and that error is not there.
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by Novacain » Thu Feb 06, 2014 19:44

MrElmux wrote:Minetest vs Minecraft is the same question as Linux vs Windows. Minetest is better design but minecraft has simply the mass of users
The only thing we can do is pushing minetest to perfection (Both Game and Engine) and wait
the mills of fairness grind slowly but they grind at all



I feel this is a bad comparison as Microsoft just plain sucks. I would say minecraft is better than Microsoft.
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by hoodedice » Thu Feb 06, 2014 19:47

PilzAdam wrote:
hoodedice wrote:
CitroPotter wrote:Dot lua(i am not sure)
I like Minetest as i am not good in fighting as in building.


lua. NOT DOT LUA. JUST LUA. LUA. *cringe*

its Lua not LUA.


*jumps off building in utter despair at having wrote it wrongly*
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by Casimir » Thu Feb 06, 2014 20:41

MrElmux wrote:Minetest vs Minecraft is the same question as Linux vs Windows.

That sums it up quite good. It's not the question of what is better, free software is just utterly different from closed and commercial software. In Minetest you can change anything you want, and possibly do the most wired thinks you can think of, the same with Linux (from a raspberry pi to supercomputers). With Minecraft and Windows you can only do what Minecraft and Windows thought of.
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by CheerfulCherub » Thu Feb 06, 2014 21:45

Can't wait to get my other computer up and running, it's got a duel core in it and I think my mods will work better on that, considering I can't get the mobs one to work and I can't get the simple mobs to work, won't load some of the animals, and the other one just won't work at all.
 

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by MustLoveCats » Sun Feb 09, 2014 20:53

I agree that Minetest is better than Minecraft. Here's my little list (I like lists):

1. It's free. If there's one thing everyone in the world likes, it's getting stuff for free. Minetest is a perfect example of this.

2. Easier modding. Minetest is very mod-friendly and even has an in-game source to download mods. I am very happy with this myself because it takes all the hassle out of downloading stuff like Winzip, then doing all that whatchamacallit associated with it.

3. Better multiplayer system. Minetest makes it easier to connect to multiplayer servers than Minecraft. It shows a full list of active servers in-game, instead of you having to take your time to find an IP adress from the internet somewhere, like Minecraft does. It is also easier (and possibly a bit less expensive) to create and run multiplayer servers. Another main reason multiplayer is better is due to #4...

4. Friendlier players. There may statistically be less friendly players than Minecraft (only due in part of Minecraft having more players period), but technically if Minetest and Minecraft had the same amount of players, Minetest would have more friendly people. Another thing is, even without the same amount of people, there are less Minetest griefers (This is surprising to me because Minetest is free and Minecraft is not.)

That's all on my list. Something to note is, you get different results on the different group of people you ask. This means if you ask people on Minetest forums, "Which is better: Minecraft or Minetest?" they will say "Minetest!" If you were ask the same to people on the Minecraft forums, they'd say, "Minecraft!". It's kind of like asking communists, "Is communism better or capitalism?" and then asking capitalists the same. You can guess who'll say what.

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by CraigyDavi » Sun Feb 09, 2014 20:58

MustLoveCats, those are some good points. The 2 biggest things which I like about minetest is that it is open source and that minetest has a much friendlier community.

It is also easier (and possibly a bit less expensive) to create and run multiplayer servers.

Wouldn't agree with that though.
 

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by sfan5 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 21:40

CraigyDavi wrote:MustLoveCats, those are some good points. The 2 biggest things which I like about minetest is that it is open source and that minetest has a much friendlier community.

It is also easier (and possibly a bit less expensive) to create and run multiplayer servers.

Wouldn't agree with that though.

You can run a minetest server on a VPS with 128MB RAM and 256MB swap, good luck running a Minecraft server on that.
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by CraigyDavi » Sun Feb 09, 2014 22:18

sfan5 wrote:
CraigyDavi wrote:MustLoveCats, those are some good points. The 2 biggest things which I like about minetest is that it is open source and that minetest has a much friendlier community.

It is also easier (and possibly a bit less expensive) to create and run multiplayer servers.

Wouldn't agree with that though.

You can run a minetest server on a VPS with 128MB RAM and 256MB swap, good luck running a Minecraft server on that.


Fair enough. I still think that it requires quite a bit of technical knowledge to run a server.
 

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by hoodedice » Sun Feb 09, 2014 22:20

CraigyDavi wrote:
sfan5 wrote:
CraigyDavi wrote:MustLoveCats, those are some good points. The 2 biggest things which I like about minetest is that it is open source and that minetest has a much friendlier community.


Wouldn't agree with that though.

You can run a minetest server on a VPS with 128MB RAM and 256MB swap, good luck running a Minecraft server on that.


Fair enough. I still think that it requires quite a bit of technical knowledge to run a server.


What if I told you my 12 year old brother ran a server once?

It's not hard at all. Once you get the port forwarding done correctly, nothing is hard at all.
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by CitroPotter » Tue Feb 11, 2014 15:40

lolman wrote:in my opinion it did

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It is better becuse its way super easy to make mads in int. lua
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by ranta » Tue Feb 18, 2014 17:17

i have played both minecraft and mintest and i will say minetest is much better especially considering the that when minecraft was on version 0.4 it was leagues behind were mintest is now
 

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by Novacain » Tue Feb 18, 2014 17:27

ranta wrote:i have played both minecraft and mintest and i will say minetest is much better especially considering the that when minecraft was on version 0.4 it was leagues behind were mintest is now


maybe that's cause we have a higher standard for what should increase the second point :P
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by onpon4 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 19:06

ranta wrote:when minecraft was on version 0.4 it was leagues behind were mintest is now


Version numbers are arbitrary. Comparing the version numbers of two different projects is completely meaningless.
 

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by MirceaKitsune » Mon Mar 03, 2014 15:08

I wish I could say yes, but sadly it would be too early. However, I'm confident that Minetest WILL get better than Minecraft in a few years at most. If development keeps going forth with at least the current enthusiasm and energy, and stays open to various ideas and changes.

In my opinion, the main problem Minetest has which doesn't qualify it as good as Minecraft are players and Lua entities. Player animation and movement is still ugly and laggy. Lua entities also have a lot of problems, which make it difficult to integrate a good mob system or have mobs of quality. The world is also slow to load at times (causing invisible walls) as well as logins taking a lot on some servers due to texture caching (even with curl). There are other smaller problems too... such as lakes / oceans being full of holes due to cavegen (also causing broken water physics) or lack of a good in-game menu where you can change most settings in realtime (like shaders or graphical options).

Rotation interpolation is one awaited feature which would hide part of the lag, yet for some reason it didn't happen to this day. I also suggested (and plan to attempt coding) a movement buffer which would allow for smoother movement. I made a thread about that some time ago, but no one replied so far.

Conclusion: Without mobs and acceptably low lag with +30 players on a server, I believe Minetest can't even be considered fully stable and finished. Once those problems are all solved, Minetest will already be better than Minecraft, as being written in C++ rather than Java and having a Lua API is the main advantage. After RealBadAngel helps with hardware lighting too, and we'll be able to achieve graphics like those in Terasology, Minetest will be way over Minecraft in visual aspect as well.
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by stormchaser3000 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 22:05

not to mention mineteest needs smoth nodebox lighting like in minetest-classic and minecraft because when say i have new_style_water = true in conf the water is not lighted properly when i have smooth lighting enabled and same with many other things
 

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by minermoder27 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:09

hoodedice wrote:
CraigyDavi wrote:
sfan5 wrote:You can run a minetest server on a VPS with 128MB RAM and 256MB swap, good luck running a Minecraft server on that.


Fair enough. I still think that it requires quite a bit of technical knowledge to run a server.


What if I told you my 12 year old brother ran a server once?

It's not hard at all. Once you get the port forwarding done correctly, nothing is hard at all.


If you are using a VPS and have ssh access, and have set up $PATH correctly all it takes is one command to start the server:
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Re: Did minetest get better than minecraft? comment your opi

by PeterPanda » Wed Jun 11, 2014 01:16

Ok, I am going to be blunt. The biggest thing that makes minetest better than minecraft is the community. Since theres nowhere near as many minetest players as there are minecraft players, everyone knows each other. That's why I adore minetest multiplayer. The other thing I like is how more realistic/simplistic it is. I mean, theres no zombie pig men who came from an underground hellish dimension running around trying to kill you with golden swords XD
 

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