Is writing minetest in Java possible?

[Stix]

Hi, id like to know if its possible to make working mods and subgames written in Java.

[rubenwardy]

No, it's not

[Stix]

Bummer :(

[sofar]

Bummer :(

Not really. Java isn't bad for a lot of things, but you can't make a game really small in Java. At a minimum the JRE takes 300MB or so, and Minetest is not even, like, 60mb total. Memory and Java are like donuts and Chief Wiggum, too.

Think of it a different way: even though Android is java, most android games are native C code wrapped in a tiny java wrapper. Guess why?

[Stix]

Bummer :(

Not really. Java isn't bad for a lot of things, but you can't make a game really small in Java. At a minimum the JRE takes 300MB or so, and Minetest is not even, like, 60mb total. Memory and Java are like donuts and Chief Wiggum, too.

Think of it a different way: even though Android is java, most android games are native C code wrapped in a tiny java wrapper. Guess why?

i guess that means Minetest will never have Java support implimented?

[Stix]

Hi id like to know what a code-wrapper does, from a quick google search it looks like it makes it possible to code in, for example, Java and then use a C++ code wrapper to run the Hava program in C++, is this correct?
if so what about coding in Java with a Lua code-wrapper?

[Stix]

i now plan to post my java questions here.

[Sergey]

Relax. MT is written in C++. Nobody being sane will rewrite the code into Java.

What I would like to see in MT in future is the ability to write mods in Python, very convenient and powerful scripting language, at least some subset of Python, that allows to be embedded as Lua. But unlikely it will be implemented.

[Stix]

Relax. MT is written in C++. Nobody being sane will rewrite the code into Java.

What I would like to see in MT in future is the ability to write mods in Python, very convenient and powerful scripting language, at least some subset of Python, that allows to be embedded as Lua. But unlikely it will be implemented.

MT engine is written in C++? this means that someone, for example, could write a mod or subgame in Java and use a C++ wrapper (if wrappers do what i think they do) on the Java program so it could work with MT! if im correct, which i hope i am, having MT mods that are written in Java (with a C++ wrapper ofc) is possible!

[Sergey]

MT mods can be written in Lua only.

Listen, young boy. If you a fan of Java this is great. But do not try to apply your Java skills in every software around you.

[sofar]

Everything is possible, it's not very sensible, though. It would be hard to explain it in a sentence why, though.

If you know java already, then lua is easy. Perhaps you should explain your fascination with java?

[Stix]

i actually am still learning Java and dont know it fully yet, the reason i wanted to code mt stuff in java is because i have already learned some of java, and would sound that continuing learning java instead of learn lua and java would mean i could learn more in one language (java) and therefore make better code, instead of slowly learning both at a time.

[sofar]

I would actually recommend learning LuA at the same time as Java. LuA is a tiny language that you could teach on the back of a napkin. Try it, I'd say. You'd be surprised how simple it is.

[Sergey]

LuA

Weird name

These simple tutorials of simple language Lua is enough to start programming.

[azekill_DIABLO]

Hi, id like to know if its possible to make working mods and subgames written in Java.

You want to make minetest closer than minecraft or just make slower than windows XP on a nokia phone?

[Sergey]

Hi, id like to know if its possible to make working mods and subgames written in Java.

You want to make minetest closer than minecraft or just make slower than windows XP on a nokia phone?

By the way, Stix, do you know there is another free and open source Minecraft-like sandbox game written in Java? It's name is Terasology!

Slow as hell!

Their forum: http://forum.terasology.org. Maybe you should write there.

[azekill_DIABLO]

Hi, id like to know if its possible to make working mods and subgames written in Java.

You want to make minetest closer than minecraft or just make slower than windows XP on a nokia phone?

By the way, Stix, do you know there is another free and open source Minecraft-like sandbox game written in Java? It's name is Terasology!

Slow as hell!

Their forum: http://forum.terasology.org. Maybe you should write there.

you mean Teraslow-ogy

[Byakuren]

Yes you can, just write a JVM implementation in Lua.

[azekill_DIABLO]

Yes you can, just write a JVM implementation in Lua.

no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no.

[Wuzzy]

Minetest is in C++. This is not going to change. Get freaking used to it! And learn how to code. :P

I can't stand these pointless “you have to use programming language X, then everything will be rainbows and unicorns” arguments. xD

[azekill_DIABLO]

xD you mean nyan cats

[Andrey01]

Relax. MT is written in C++. Nobody being sane will rewrite the code into Java.

What I would like to see in MT in future is the ability to write mods in Python, very convenient and powerful scripting language, at least some subset of Python, that allows to be embedded as Lua. But unlikely it will be implemented.

I agree quite with you. Python syntax is easier than Lua one even i think. Furthermore there are much more possibillities in Python.

[azekill_DIABLO]

I personnaly prefer Lua to Python... and changing the scripting language of minetest is not a good idea: it will break all mods.

[sofar]

Relax. MT is written in C++. Nobody being sane will rewrite the code into Java.

What I would like to see in MT in future is the ability to write mods in Python, very convenient and powerful scripting language, at least some subset of Python, that allows to be embedded as Lua. But unlikely it will be implemented.

I agree quite with you. Python syntax is easier than Lua one even i think. Furthermore there are much more possibillities in Python.

nope, again, you're (1) misinformed and (2) it aint ever going to happen.

Python is 200mb+ of libraries and packages just to get started, so it's 4x the size of ALL of minetest to begin with. It also eats memory like it's an elephant with peanuts.

And second, everything python can do, you can do in Lua. In less memory. And probably faster.

[azekill_DIABLO]

Lua is the fastest scripting language. And LuaJIT is just insane. I agree with you sofar.