A non MultiCraft server list please.

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mcaygerhard wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 21:45
Festus1965 wrote:
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cores.. when try to use my alcatel1 to conect to . it hangs.. cos eat all the resources.. measn waste of both sides.. client
I am fully aware, that many small mobile units can't handle what my server delivers. And I am good with ... god rid of
that's is not so usefully for a server that want more players to get fun, a very quiet place is a boring movie after many views
There is a difference between Quantity (many) and Quality (good) gamer.
I prefer the Quality gamer ... I made my lessons during moderator in Pandorabox.io and the MC2.0.0 time.
And if at the end only my daughter and friends are left, it is still better then a low quality and good quantity at all.

Just to define a survival server seams not to reach most brains anymore. They behave and think like they are on creative, want all for free, and give new gamer without thinking of the servers concept itself.

Also the own server ... needed one year to get all facts together from old server 'Wildes Land'. Got several special wishes what mos must be back also to attract ... and at the end, none of the old gamer was there, most have even their own server now ... with fully other setup also.

I start to be more and more proud of admins, that keep their concept even server is empty, NOT running after every day new ideas.
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Wuzzy wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 17:50
Frankly, as long the server is fully compatible with standard Minetest clients, I see no problem at all. This whole discussion boils down to whether you like MultiCraft or not. Personally, I don't like MultiCraft, but that's besides the point. You could bring the exact argument to any server that uses the "official" Minetest but happens to be pretty shitty or boring. We would also not ban these servers from the list for that exact reason. If we were to follow the logic of "ban all forks", we would also have to ban potentially good forks. It doesn't make sense.
I agree with this. You're cutting off the nose to spite the face with this a bit. Also, I'm working on a game for minetest. I wanted to integrate it with the Minetest community too.
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Fri Jun 04, 2021 17:50
I would only consider a delisting if the server has known problems with serving Minetest clients correctly, like dropping connections constantly, error spam that is only visible to Minetest clients, or other annoyances. But then I would delist such servers ruthlessly and only allow them back if the problems have been fixed. Because nothing is worse to have like a dozen of servers on the Minetest server list that are completely incompatible with Minetest.
They already get a score penalty if the uptime on the server is too low averaged out I think.
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Wuzzy wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 17:50
Frankly, as long the server is fully compatible with standard Minetest clients, I see no problem at all.
This is already not true and so like a joke as 0.4.x is not in 5.x and other way ...

But, since I have Minecraft server, I know mt is still a bit better, as THERE even a 1.18.1 RC2 server can't be visited with a 1.18.1. RC3 client.
But maybe MT will goes this way also soon ... 5.5 can only gamed with 5.5 haha

And again, just count the numbers of
0.4.x gamer and server
and 5.x gamer and server

There you see the truth and then the mistake happened.

Maybe we have to cut 0.4.x out ... or we do similar to some mt server hosting ... a server is empty, the data will sleep (hybernate),
mean ... don't list anymore servers with 0 gamer.

list gets shorter, choosing easier ... admins have to start acting, advertising or shut it down.
A clean up ...
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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to the OP. and everyone who wants Different client or server list.... i say this to you.

Get your head out your damn a*s

this is Minetest, Stop wasting the devs time with your needy BS.. please please please dev make me special.. Shut up maggot and sort your server / game out

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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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L-Dog wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 02:57
Stop wasting the devs time with your needy BS
hmm wasn't it the devs to decide separate and incompatible 0.4 and 5.x and start all this problem at all ?? haha

wasn't it the devs to decide only nearby the ONE serverlist ping is counted ?

and so on ...
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 07:59
L-Dog wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 02:57
Stop wasting the devs time with your needy BS
hmm wasn't it the devs to decide separate and incompatible 0.4 and 5.x and start all this problem at all ?? haha

wasn't it the devs to decide only nearby the ONE serverlist ping is counted ?

and so on ...
One list is fine... works perfect.

We DONT need all this complaining about multicraft.

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L-Dog wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 14:47
Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 07:59
L-Dog wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 02:57
Stop wasting the devs time with your needy BS
hmm wasn't it the devs to decide separate and incompatible 0.4 and 5.x and start all this problem at all ?? haha

wasn't it the devs to decide only nearby the ONE serverlist ping is counted ?

and so on ...
One list is fine... works perfect.

We DONT need all this complaining about multicraft.

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There is not One list, there are 2 or maybe 3 already !!! Didn't you know ?

I complain about minetest, Didn't you realize ?
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Festus1965 wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 00:42
L-Dog wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 14:47
Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 07:59

hmm wasn't it the devs to decide separate and incompatible 0.4 and 5.x and start all this problem at all ?? haha

wasn't it the devs to decide only nearby the ONE serverlist ping is counted ?

and so on ...
One list is fine... works perfect.

We DONT need all this complaining about multicraft.

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There is not One list, there are 2 or maybe 3 already !!! Didn't you know ?

I complain about minetest, Didn't you realize ?
no i didnt know... theres Lists on the Website

iv had thought about this... If you make an ACTUAL game then yes it would be nice option to have an official custom Launcher that connects to the MT things... this would be Epic.

i dont complain that much about MT.. its a decent game.i could a million things with it

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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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L-Dog wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 03:39
no i didnt know... theres Lists on the Website
The list on a website is just a copy maybe of what a game is asking for, it must not be open seen anyway.

The serverlist is ask from the client from a source,
* so the programmer set where it is asking for, but we can change it ...
* so the programmer of the server-list-side decides what the client will get,
* as of the servers settings, where to send his (alive-server-)data when set announce
...

just check client settings, client, network ... 3 options to do
and Server / Singleplayer ... options

so you can make your own list of servers with friends, or for a country, continent ... or later solar system for each planet we live then haha
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Komodo wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:04
Wuzzy wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 17:50
I would only consider a delisting if the server has known problems with serving Minetest clients correctly, like dropping connections constantly, error spam that is only visible to Minetest clients, or other annoyances. But then I would delist such servers ruthlessly and only allow them back if the problems have been fixed. Because nothing is worse to have like a dozen of servers on the Minetest server list that are completely incompatible with Minetest.
They already get a score penalty if the uptime on the server is too low averaged out I think.
there's a very quiet place.. boring .. so boring XD

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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 00:59
Wuzzy wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 17:50
Frankly, as long the server is fully compatible with standard Minetest clients, I see no problem at all.
This is already not true and so like a joke as 0.4.x is not in 5.x and other way ...

But, since I have Minecraft server, I know mt is still a bit better, as THERE even a 1.18.1 RC2 server can't be visited with a 1.18.1. RC3 client.
But maybe MT will goes this way also soon ... 5.5 can only gamed with 5.5 haha

And again, just count the numbers of
0.4.x gamer and server
and 5.x gamer and server

There you see the truth and then the mistake happened.

Maybe we have to cut 0.4.x out ... or we do similar to some mt server hosting ... a server is empty, the data will sleep (hybernate),
mean ... don't list anymore servers with 0 gamer.

list gets shorter, choosing easier ... admins have to start acting, advertising or shut it down.
A clean up ...

TOTALLY TRUE

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astonishing the AVG Gamer raised from a low
* 355 at 28.11.2021 to
* 502 at 29.01.2022

from actual 482 gamer there are just 102 on 5.x servers, mean just 21% of all gamer

after it was 38% (Fri Sep 03, 2021 06:36) 5.5 will not change it, as I don't think clients will be better spread anyway on mobiles ...
as we see it with just 102 gamer in 5.x instead of 245 that day - wow another 50% gamer LOST onto 0.4.x or 2.2.0
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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 30, 2022 09:37
astonishing the AVG Gamer raised from a low
* 355 at 28.11.2021 to
* 502 at 29.01.2022

from actual 482 gamer there are just 102 on 5.x servers, mean just 21% of all gamer

after it was 38% (Fri Sep 03, 2021 06:36) 5.5 will not change it, as I don't think clients will be better spread anyway on mobiles ...
as we see it with just 102 gamer in 5.x instead of 245 that day - wow another 50% gamer LOST onto 0.4.x or 2.2.0
i have a phone pixie 3g and an alcatel 2022, both are unnable to run minetest 5.5 but i can play older versions of minecraft thanks to "soy educado" player trick..

but also noted that multicraft not run anymore in those phones.. so..

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see another option to make the server-list maybe more trust-able:

as most servers are
* over 8 months old
* and very much restart so often, not reach 8 hours even

* a sorting by the "Average Player" on server

might be more accurate, to show long therm, all time high visit rate as servers composition and lag seam to fix to a lot of gamer around world = keep used most time.


and the bashing of MC server is nice (as they bash us even harden = mt always last) is also based on a wrong calculation:
* as most gamer on MC2.0.0 are based on (old, ads, ...) 0.4.x mt versions
AND
* 80% of all server gamer are 0.4.x

THEN
the gamer shown in 5.0 list should be divides /5 = part of 5.x gamer might be in, even if ...
the gamer shown in 0.3. list should be 4/5 of it ...
yes ... I know, the list doesn't gibe this yet ...

but anyway ... the reducing of points for gamer in MC server is only hiding their success and preventing us MT so solve the problem ... we are like the three monkeys ... what I don't see (ranking) isn't a problem

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Re: A non MultiCraft server list please.

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today i found a clear reference that still multicraft send data to server list of minetest.. and developer Monte48 act like does not know due "mc" representing the organizartion deletes the comment .. but the reference is clear.. i forked the repo and have the commit as https://github.com/MultiCraft/MultiCraf ... 85609e166f the deleted coment was:

"i also find that commit 5722b9ad23 embebed the minecraft server list as base64 string.."

multicraft try to said that is not sending nothing to server list of minetest but that is not true.. it send to both server list event you configure another one!

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mcaygerhard wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 13:48
.. it send to both server list event you configure another one!
yes, I have seen this code during my server run under MC2.0.0 also - I know that

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The easiest way to solve all this problem

make MT 5.6.0 .... able to let 0.4.x join again ... NO version separating

fix the biggest bug made in 5.5.0
we just have to deal with how to block adv clients, but I have a pool of their network.

But I think also some don't like this 0.4.x even mt also not ...
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Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 08:28
make MT 5.6.0 .... able to let 0.4.x join again ... NO version separating
fix the biggest bug made in 5.5.0
aha !
TenPlus1 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 16:42
- Translations updated
- Added 0.4.x compatibility for older clients
- Bug fixes and tweaks
for clients ? not server ? - but anyway,
this can be seen as a hint for devs ... as mods are realize it, but at the moment I think that's for MC200 servers, or do I miss something ?
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the easiest way to do that right now would be to host another server list (un official probably ) and make a bot that connects to every server on official minetest server list and checks if server is multicraft if it is it removes them (by mod set and server behavior ) if it is not then it adds the server to server list
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Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 22:31
Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 08:28
make MT 5.6.0 .... able to let 0.4.x join again ... NO version separating
fix the biggest bug made in 5.5.0
aha !
TenPlus1 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 16:42
- Translations updated
- Added 0.4.x compatibility for older clients
- Bug fixes and tweaks
for clients ? not server ? - but anyway,
this can be seen as a hint for devs ... as mods are realize it, but at the moment I think that's for MC200 servers, or do I miss something ?
yeah 5.** made about 2000000 breaking changes probably so good luck with that
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Yes, THIS Thread I was searching ... sure bother some users about the update, but I was just inside
* https://monitoring.minetest.ch/d/kr34eB ... efresh=15m
* https://monitoring.minetest.ch/d/n3KZwy ... efresh=15m
Festus1965 wrote:
Sun Jan 30, 2022 09:37
astonishing the AVG Gamer raised from a low
* 355 at 28.11.2021 to
* 502 at 29.01.2022

from actual 482 gamer there are just 102 on 5.x servers, mean just 21% of all gamer

after it was 38% (Fri Sep 03, 2021 06:36) 5.5 will not change it, as I don't think clients will be better spread anyway on mobiles ...
as we see it with just 102 gamer in 5.x instead of 245 that day - wow another 50% gamer LOST onto 0.4.x or 2.2.0
As predicted for long term:
AVG Gamer Minetest list
* 355 at 28.11.2021 to
* 502 at 29.01.2022
* 342 at 11.09.2022 ... less then even before, and still sinking the following 15 days

from actual 248 gamer, where
- 127 from MultiCraft servers, and so counted double when check other graph with 244 AVG on MultiCraft
- 10 on 0.4.x server
= 111 gamer left on 5.x servers or 30.5% of all MT/MC versions.
Where 61 Gamer are just on 6 server ...

A Clear lost again after a short time of rising, as most ... a bit rise, but more lost after.

Why ?
* When all MT/MC loose ,,, they are getting unattractive at all
* But main as of Engine ? Mods, Server speed, composition ?
(I can say, it is a hard work to maintain as of engine changes are missed long time on mods, so it is better to sat a version behind and have stable server)
Funny 5.5.x has still most gamer with 35 gamer of now 105, so using newest engine version is NOT an advantage !
Or might be interesting to take an average of running time server over engine versions

Solutions ?
Maybe many ... but none will be accepted to the core team.
* The 0.4.x servers could be taken from the list ?
* servers without an AVG of min 1 should be taken out ?

Yeah, imagine a new gamer find most empty server, and most people wanna game together ? Looks like Shopping Center here ... after 2 year Corona most boxes to rent to offer a shop are empty ... = not really fun to walk through.

Or you go to a restaurant with 100 Different Food Options and you get told, out today ... sure the sorting pushes used server up, but for me that long list with empty server looks already more like a scam, haha

But anyway, MT is not a commercial = don't need to make money,
so don't need to follow some basic commercial rules about advertising or others.
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