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Re: Minetest iOS

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 05:39
by ANAND
RonsorMinetest wrote:Now it has been said before that the GPL is not compatible with the app store. BUT Minetest is under the LGPL 2.1, which /is/ compatible with the app store’s licensing (LGPL libraries are used in VLC under iOS). So it would be legal to distribute Minetest on the app store (but not really any GPL mods).
Then we can copy-paste the code from the original mods into brand-new LGPL mods (made just for iOS), and call them iDefault, iBed, iBucket, iStairs, iFurnace, iFire, etc. :P

Problem solved? :)

Re: iOS?

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 18:25
by trungus
Hi guys,

I'm very new with Minetest, I discover it a few days ago and I'm fascinated, it's really a great piece of software and will be great have it on a IOS device (by the way it's the only mayor platform left).

About share folders on IOS devices, it's not true that the app is completely isolated, I have an iPad and Apple release an interface called iDocuments that permit to apps to share content with others, for example, I use "Working Copy" as my git client and "Textastic" as my IDE to edit the files owned by "Working Copy" without an issue, just open and edit it.

Best Regards.
Trungus

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 21:37
by Lone_Wolf
It would be nice to get Minetest on iOS. A lot of the players on HOMETOWN are iOS users. And once Minetest 5.0 comes out if all of the minetest servers update then the only servers those iOS users will be able to play on would be the minetesthosting ones. And none of those are very good. They all have the same mods

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 19:06
by sorcerykid
I don't foresee server operators being quick to all switch over to 5.0 because it will alienate a large userbase. I think most of the players on a number of popular servers are iOS users.

Personally, I would really like to see a jailbreak version of Minetest released as a proof of concept until the legal issues of app store approval are ironed out.

Re: iOS?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 03:43
by MHL
programmingchicken wrote:
red-001 wrote:How is it that there is a lot more copies of minetest on the apple store where you have to play $99/year compare to google play which is a one time payment of $25?
the struggle of nine year-olds trying to get minecraft for free on their parent's iPhone is real
You have that problem in the US too? I thought kids trying to get Minecraft for free are only in Poland and European countries generally

Re: iOS?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 18:29
by Lone_Wolf
migdyn wrote:
programmingchicken wrote:
red-001 wrote:How is it that there is a lot more copies of minetest on the apple store where you have to play $99/year compare to google play which is a one time payment of $25?
the struggle of nine year-olds trying to get minecraft for free on their parent's iPhone is real
You have that problem in the US too? I thought kids trying to get Minecraft for free are only in Poland and European countries generally
It's a 'problem' everywhere

Re: iOS?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 23:35
by sorcerykid
This is why I believe that all players are players (rather than so-called "guests") even if they happen to be little kids using an unofficial client -- only because there isn't an official client for them to download.

Kids want to play with free software. Nothing wrong with that, or even unusual in my view :)

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 00:28
by MHL
sorcerykid wrote:This is why I believe that all players are players (rather than so-called "guests") even if they happen to be little kids using an unofficial client -- only because there isn't an official client for them to download.

Kids want to play with free software. Nothing wrong with that, or even unusual in my view :)
Well, most kids want to play with proprietary software. Just install a GNU/Linux distro on a computer which a kid uses to play Fortknight and watch their reaction

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 02:51
by sorcerykid
Indeed, what I meant is most kids that don't have access to mommy or daddy's credit card and only have an iPad or iPhone will happily make do with downloading free apps instead :P

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 03:27
by MHL
sorcerykid wrote:Indeed, what I meant is most kids that don't have access to mommy or daddy's credit card and only have an iPad or iPhone will happily make do with downloading free apps instead :P
TheseI'm actually surprised the kids don't get annoyed by the ads nad other nasty features in crappy Minetest forks on Google Play

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 03:55
by Lone_Wolf
migdyn wrote:
sorcerykid wrote:Indeed, what I meant is most kids that don't have access to mommy or daddy's credit card and only have an iPad or iPhone will happily make do with downloading free apps instead :P
TheseI'm actually surprised the kids don't get annoyed by the ads nad other nasty features in crappy Minetest forks on Google Play
They do get annoyed. I see them complaining in the chat on servers all of the time. There's no other way for them though

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 04:00
by MHL
Lone_Wolf wrote:
migdyn wrote:
sorcerykid wrote:Indeed, what I meant is most kids that don't have access to mommy or daddy's credit card and only have an iPad or iPhone will happily make do with downloading free apps instead :P
TheseI'm actually surprised the kids don't get annoyed by the ads nad other nasty features in crappy Minetest forks on Google Play
They do get annoyed. I see them complaining in the chat on servers all of the time. There's no other way for them though
But there is an official Minetest android port maintained by rubenwardy

Re: iOS?

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 04:02
by Lone_Wolf
migdyn wrote:But there is an official Minetest android port maintained by rubenwardy
Oh. I missed the 'Google play' part. Sorry.
All the complaints I've seen are from iOS users

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 17:54
by gsbhasin123
Since Freeworld/Buildcraft can run on iOS and are Minetest forks, how about a official Minetest for iOS version? Or maybe a community maintained one that keeps compatibility

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 17:59
by rubenwardy
gsbhasin123 wrote:Since Freeworld/Buildcraft can run on iOS and are Minetest forks, how about a official Minetest for iOS version? Or maybe a community maintained one that keeps compatibility
Read the thread. We can't legally make an iOS version. Freeworld and Buildcraft violate our license

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 21:56
by texmex
rubenwardy wrote:Read the thread. We can't legally make an iOS version. Freeworld and Buildcraft violate our license
But does it violate the spirit of the licence or the letter of the license? I never understood this.

Re: Minetest iOS

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 23:21
by gsbhasin123
RonsorMinetest wrote:Now it has been said before that the GPL is not compatible with the app store. BUT Minetest is under the LGPL 2.1, which /is/ compatible with the app store’s licensing (LGPL libraries are used in VLC under iOS). So it would be legal to distribute Minetest on the app store (but not really any GPL mods).
Is this still true? xD
It is technically possible... and if it is not compatible, here's a better way: someone can fork Minetest, change wherever it says Minetest to Minetest-iOS or something, make it closed source, and merge Minetest's master branch whenever a change is introduced. This should be able to connect to (MT) servers. Any volunteers?

Re: iOS?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 19:58
by Lejo
rubenwardy wrote:
gsbhasin123 wrote:Since Freeworld/Buildcraft can run on iOS and are Minetest forks, how about a official Minetest for iOS version? Or maybe a community maintained one that keeps compatibility
Read the thread. We can't legally make an iOS version. Freeworld and Buildcraft violate our license
Aren’t you the right person to report such license violations?
I hereby report them(von = by):
+ Spoiler
I think you can report them here

Re: iOS?

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:06
by BirgitLachner
Hi ...
the biggest problem for us teachers is, that there are a lot of pupils that are only having iPads at home during homeschooling.

So they can not play with the others :-(

PS: Yes, I don't like iPads, because a lot of teachers think, that it is they one and only tool that can be used by teachers in school. That's stupid! Some think that the shiny iOS should be mutipotential and if an online tool does not work it their fault.

Re: iOS?

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 19:48
by cuthbertdoublebarrel
BirgitLachner wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:06
Hi ...
the biggest problem for us teachers is, that there are a lot of pupils that are only having iPads at home during homeschooling.

So they can not play with the others :-(

PS: Yes, I don't like iPads, because a lot of teachers think, that it is they one and only tool that can be used by teachers in school. That's stupid! Some think that the shiny iOS should be mutipotential and if an online tool does not work it their fault.
Yep teachers are strange lot, not all of them mind .Take Ftmc for instance, teaching us the history of 2b2t
https://www.youtube.com/user/SonOfShoop
Are you going to be our minetest history teacher now Sir?.

On the other hand we have "Doni bobes and the crazy teacher" who wanted Doni to change his streaming times because it clashes with her classes .
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 5kOdnfERBi
You make a fair point about ipads. i think it is wrong of teachers to show they are bound to just one os device, ipads are a status symbol so you are promoting that image each and everytime you use it in front of the kids .
Teachers should be encouraged to swap between os devices through term, then they might have a better insight into the problems kids run into, I think its sad that a lot of kids will miss out on minetest due to this issue of licensing .

Re: iOS?

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 07:23
by BirgitLachner
Well, one reason why iPads are used in schools is the fact, that there are more solutions to maintain a bigger number of iPads at once. Teacher are fearing the possibilty that the pupils take fotos of them oder play (Minetest?) during school-time. And Apple offers a lot of possibilities to restrict the abilities.

That is crazy because it causes a lot of time for the teachers. I prefare BYOD (bring you own device) and hlep for parents to pay attention on the pupils usage of there device.

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19
by zeuner
rubenwardy wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 17:59
gsbhasin123 wrote:Since Freeworld/Buildcraft can run on iOS and are Minetest forks, how about a official Minetest for iOS version? Or maybe a community maintained one that keeps compatibility
Read the thread. We can't legally make an iOS version. Freeworld and Buildcraft violate our license
Regarding what would it be illegal to create an iOS version that doesn't go through the App Store? Apparently, ScummVM (a GPL-licensed adventure game engine meant for playing existing proprietary adventure games that don't get ported to new platforms) can be built for iOS (https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?titl ... mVM/iPhone), and using an own Apple developer account, it can even be installed to a device without jailbreaking it (https://blog.pmlabs-apps.com/scummvm-on ... jailbreak/). Wouldn't it be possible to do something similar for Minetest?

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 19:10
by sorcerykid
Read the thread. We can't legally make an iOS version.
I'm curious if anybody the reason for this? There's nothing in the LGPL 2.1 License Agreement that forbids releasing open-source software on iOS, as long as the source code is provided free of charge.

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 02:12
by v-rob
sorcerykid wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 19:10
I'm curious if anybody the reason for this? There's nothing in the LGPL 2.1 License Agreement that forbids releasing open-source software on iOS, as long as the source code is provided free of charge.
AFAIK, the iOS App Store itself refuses to allow LGPL, not vice-versa, so it's out of our hands.

Re: iOS?

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 03:18
by sorcerykid
It's possible to install applications on iOS without the App Store. It's known as jailbreaking.

Cydia has been around since 2008, so the option has always been legally available. In fact, the unofficial Cydia App homepage even mentions "A massive choice of unofficial games and apps" as its selling-point. Yet every time this question comes up and someone proposes a jail-break only release of Minetest for iOS (usually me), then the discussion ends and nobody feels compelled to do it.