Mining Speeds...

derpswa99 · by **derpswa99** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 05:41 Post

Well recently I've noticed while playing minecraft the mining speeds were pretty balanced out. But only, after I started playing a little minetest. I started a new world and got my wood pick. It took some time to collect 31 pieces of cobble. I got my stone pick and noticed it was only slightly faster. I got my steel pick and It was almost instant when it came to breaking blocks. Same goes for the wood axe and the hand, the hand is faster than a wooden axe.

I dont know why this bothered me, but to devs, please adjust this

(I didnt put this in Bugs And Problems because its not broken)

TenPlus1 · by **TenPlus1** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 09:02 Post

Certain tools are better at certain tasks and I dare say a bone hand beats a wood pick

BlauerEisRegen · by **BlauerEisRegen** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 09:30 Post

Yeah, you're right... but why are you not playing in creative? Until now survival is really boring because you won't find any mobs or other funny things in survival... But the devs should really fix that!

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 18:10 Post

The speeds were changed. Before the speeds were wood>stone>steel>mese. Now they are wood>stone>steel>mese>diamond.
but thespeeds where changed like the diagram below(stone changed to wood speed, etc.)
--------->wood>stone>steel>mese
wood>stone>steel>mese>diamond
Here is the comment https://github.com/minetest/common/comm ... fb7f890L47
Edit: the whole point was that someone didn't want to make diamond overpowered so he/she adjusted to make tools even slower.

onpon4 · by **onpon4** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 21:56 Post

Yeah, that should be fixed. Wooden axe is useless. I didn't know that the wooden axe is slower than the hand, but yeah, it should be faster than it is now.

What's the problem with having diamond more powerful than MESE's previous strength? All it means is that people with a diamond pick can mine even faster than was possible in previous versions.

derpswa99 · by **derpswa99** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 23:59 Post

BlauerEisRegen wrote:Yeah, you're right... but why are you not playing in creative? Until now survival is really boring because you won't find any mobs or other funny things in survival... But the devs should really fix that!

I play with PilzAdam's Simple MObs so It's less boring

Mito551 · by **Mito551** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 08:00 Post

derpswa99 wrote:Well recently I've noticed while playing minecraft the mining speeds were pretty balanced out. But only, after I started playing a little minetest. I started a new world and got my wood pick. It took some time to collect 31 pieces of cobble. I got my stone pick and noticed it was only slightly faster. I got my steel pick and It was almost instant when it came to breaking blocks. Same goes for the wood axe and the hand, the hand is faster than a wooden axe.

I dont know why this bothered me, but to devs, please adjust this

(I didnt put this in Bugs And Problems because its not broken)

good thing you mentioned it. i haven't observed the problem myself, so it's good to know what's going on. so, anyway, i want to ask you to take a look at my dwarves game and say if it has the same trouble. thanks in advance.

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:50 Post

Maybe we can change the speeds back and give diamond tools mess speed but longer duribility

by **Calinou** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:56 Post

Tool speeds and sword damage used to be OK, but for now they are quite broken, axes are useless, shovels are barely useful, swords don't do much more damage than hand...

Menche · by **Menche** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 18:05 Post

Why do we even have pure diamond tools? That makes no sense. I think it would be better if any tool could be encrusted with diamond to grant a digging speed boost.

YouTube · by **rubenwardy** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 18:30 Post

Menche wrote:Why do we even have pure diamond tools? That makes no sense. I think it would be better if any tool could be encrusted with diamond to grant a digging speed boost.

Minecraft

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 19:13 Post

We wanted more ores and diamond looked good and also to me it is a good ore to make a max price.

Menche · by **Menche** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 19:17 Post

jojoa1997 wrote:We wanted more ores and diamond looked good and also to me it is a good ore to make a max price.

Mese has always been the rare, powerful "trophy" mineral. There is such a thing as too many ores, and not all ores have to be craftable into a full tool set anyway.

derpswa99 · by **derpswa99** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 19:49 Post

Menche wrote:Why do we even have pure diamond tools? That makes no sense. I think it would be better if any tool could be encrusted with diamond to grant a digging speed boost.

What's Mese? Isn't it also a gem like diamond or ruby or anything else. It's a game, not geology 101.

Menche · by **Menche** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 19:53 Post

derpswa99 wrote:
Menche wrote:Why do we even have pure diamond tools? That makes no sense. I think it would be better if any tool could be encrusted with diamond to grant a digging speed boost.
What's Mese? Isn't it also a gem like diamond or ruby or anything else. It's a game, not geology 101.

Mese was a placeholder ore introduced when ore generation was first coded. It has since become a fun magical joke material unique to Minetest. It wasn't changed into a gem until very recently.

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 22:54 Post

Menche wrote:
blah blah many other people wrote:...
Mese was a placeholder ore introduced when ore generation was first coded. It has since become a fun magical joke material unique to Minetest. It wasn't changed into a gem until very recently.

Gosh i remember the war the erupted over whether mese should be changed.

PilzAdam · by **PilzAdam** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 14:55 Post

Menche wrote:Mese was a placeholder ore introduced when ore generation was first coded.

Citation needed.

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 15:03 Post

PilzAdam wrote:
Menche wrote:Mese was a placeholder ore introduced when ore generation was first coded.
Citation needed.

From the minetest wiki which was quoted from the Dev wiki and is a quote of what celeron said.

Quote from the Developer Wiki:
The origin of the block is just plain random. In the early days of the game I [celeron55] needed to add something to be mined from the ground, and ended up with this humorous nonsense block, and haven't removed it from the game from since.

PilzAdam · by **PilzAdam** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 15:06 Post

jojoa1997 wrote:
PilzAdam wrote:
Menche wrote:Mese was a placeholder ore introduced when ore generation was first coded.
Citation needed.
From the minetest wiki which was quoted from the Dev wiki and is a quote of what celeron said.
Quote from the Developer Wiki:
The origin of the block is just plain random. In the early days of the game I [celeron55] needed to add something to be mined from the ground, and ended up with this humorous nonsense block, and haven't removed it from the game from since.

That doesnt really say that it was intended as a placeholder.

jojoa1997 · by **jojoa1997** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 15:09 Post

PilzAdam wrote:
jojoa1997 wrote:
PilzAdam wrote: Citation needed.
From the minetest wiki which was quoted from the Dev wiki and is a quote of what celeron said.
Quote from the Developer Wiki:
The origin of the block is just plain random. In the early days of the game I [celeron55] needed to add something to be mined from the ground, and ended up with this humorous nonsense block, and haven't removed it from the game from since.
That doesnt really say that it was intended as a placeholder.

to me this means placeholder all right.

. In the early days of the game I [celeron55] needed to add something to be mined from the ground,

Casimir · by **Casimir** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 17:43 Post

Btw.: Where Mese is a Minetest joke, diamond tools are a Minecraft joke. You know, you can break diamonds with a spoon...

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