Serverlist Age cheat.

User avatar
Lejo
Member
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 16:32
GitHub: Lejo1
In-game: Lejo

Serverlist Age cheat.

by Lejo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:47

Some new servers starts with an Age which is much older than the server is.
It's not realy fair that older servers gets a extra bonus on the list, if this is possible. :(
I think it's just creating your server with the ip + port + env_meta.txt from the old server.
I don't think this is easy to fix, but why giving a bonus for a old server?
 

Shara
Moderator
 
Posts: 136
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2016 15:18
GitHub: ezhh
IRC: Shara

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Shara » Mon Jan 08, 2018 21:06

Old servers get a bonus because they've proved they are dependable. It can be a horrible experience for a player if they join a new server, work hard on collecting resources or building something, then the next day/week the server is gone, and this is much more likely to happen on newer servers than well established ones.

As for servers cheating - perhaps if a server is doing this to such an extent that it makes a big difference in ranking, it could be reported.
 

User avatar
Lejo
Member
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 16:32
GitHub: Lejo1
In-game: Lejo

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Lejo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 06:06

Shara wrote:Old servers get a bonus because they've proved they are dependable. It can be a horrible experience for a player if they join a new server, work hard on collecting resources or building something, then the next day/week the server is gone, and this is much more likely to happen on newer servers than well established ones.

I agree with this.

As for servers cheating - perhaps if a server is doing this to such an extent that it makes a big difference in ranking, it could be reported.

One big cheater is Telesight.
Almost all new serversof him starts with a bonus.
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 02:04

So that is how the Server list is sorted ?

Or some more else fact ?

Thanks for the hint ?
NO !!! I will not touch the files by hand.

but Screenshot just taken shows other sorting or mix, but the row age isn't going descending as mentioned:
(later)
or what ... sorry, there must be something wrong !
 

User avatar
Wuzzy
Member
 
Posts: 3164
Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 15:01
GitHub: Wuzzy2
IRC: Wuzzy
In-game: Wuzzy

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Wuzzy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 17:51

Why do we let servers report their own age in the first place? It's pretty obvious you can never trust this info.

How about the master server simply tracks how long it “knows” a certain server?
My projects: MineClone 2. Hades Revisited. Help modpack. A ton of other mods, see here.
 

User avatar
Lejo
Member
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 16:32
GitHub: Lejo1
In-game: Lejo

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Lejo » Wed Jan 31, 2018 20:24

Wuzzy wrote:How about the master server simply tracks how long it “knows” a certain server?

That is a great Idea.
But it would may reset all Ages and older servers can't announce anymore.
 

User avatar
sorcerykid
Member
 
Posts: 832
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2016 15:36
Location: Illinois, USA
GitHub: sorcerykid
In-game: Nemo

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by sorcerykid » Wed Jan 31, 2018 22:33

Festus1965 wrote:So that is how the Server list is sorted ?


Trust me, you don't want to know how the server list is sorted. I looked one time, and regret ever allowing my curiosity get the better of me. Let's just say I have concerns about the well-being of whomever wrote the algorithm xD
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 05:03

sorcerykid wrote:Trust me, you don't want to know how the server list is sorted. I looked one time, and regret ever allowing my curiosity get the better of me. Let's just say I have concerns about the well-being of whomever wrote the algorithm xD


Oh, that scared me ... I thought about to look inside the code, to see the sorting,
but as I see how the serverlist-location, makes also a for me or in Asia strange sorting, I already think further, to do like a copy of the serverlist on my local webserver, but with the source ping from Thailand what means another sorting anyway.
But also, then look if I need to check the algo and change it, for the location here. ... Means ... priority Ping (short is better), and so the server location - or even language, fixes to the area here ...

my see
 

User avatar
Linuxdirk
Member
 
Posts: 1573
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:21
Location: Germany
In-game: Linuxdirk

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Linuxdirk » Thu Feb 01, 2018 08:04

sorcerykid wrote:Let's just say I have concerns about the well-being of whomever wrote the algorithm xD

Since the code is open creating an alternative server list is absolutely possible. MT even has configuration for that.
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 08:45

Linuxdirk wrote:Since the code is open creating an alternative server list is absolutely possible. MT even has configuration for that.


I would just take the same Servers from the main list, and just let first do the Ping from another location, ... so if gamers use this list, they see much better, what servers are "nearby" with low lost in distance ... like me 250 ms USA ... / 230 ms Europa,
maybe some Language flag showing, ...
As I start Minetest, my own server is very low Ping ... even I sit beside ... as the List is generated elsewhere ... or should be a network of lists, same savers, wherever pronounced, but with lists in USA, EU, Asia, Africa ? South America, Antarctica (last is a joke), and when I see how much Russians ...
 

User avatar
Linuxdirk
Member
 
Posts: 1573
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:21
Location: Germany
In-game: Linuxdirk

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Linuxdirk » Thu Feb 01, 2018 09:52

Festus1965 wrote:... or should be a network of lists, same savers, wherever pronounced, but with lists in USA, EU, Asia, Africa ? South America, Antarctica (last is a joke), and when I see how much Russians ...

Yes, servers should be pinged from within the country or at least from the same continent. Due to implementation it might not be easily possible.
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:29

Linuxdirk wrote:Yes, servers should be pinged from within the country or at least from the same continent. Due to implementation it might not be easily possible.


Why ?
The only thing would be to "coordinate" the servers at all, that use a central register or copy them by reading them out,
as the rest of the code running on a local web-server should do the rest by itself, just then the own Ping, rest is server data, calculate the sorting and show it.
 

User avatar
Lejo
Member
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 16:32
GitHub: Lejo1
In-game: Lejo

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Lejo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 19:56

sorcerykid wrote:Let's just say I have concerns about the well-being of whomever wrote the algorithm xD

The server list depens on this all in points:
  • 1 per client, but only 1/8 per "guest" client
  • -1 for every player over 16
  • 1 per month of age, limited to 8
  • 1/2 per average client, limited to 4
  • -8 for unrealistic max_clients(>=128)
  • -8 per second of ping over 0.4s
  • Up to -8 for less than an hour of uptime (penalty linearly decreasing)
What can you do:
  • install No Guest
  • Set player max to 16, if you haven't install No Guest
  • If you know some more just pos it here.
Last edited by Lejo on Thu Feb 08, 2018 15:27, edited 1 time in total.
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 23:12

Lejo wrote:The server list depends on this all in points:
  • 1 per client, but only 1/8 per "guest" client
  • -1 for every player over 16
  • 1 per month of age, limited to 8
  • 1/2 per average client, limited to 4
  • -8 for unrealistic max_clients(>=128)
  • -8 per second of ping over 0.4s
  • Up to -8 for less than an hour of uptime (penalty linearly decreasing)


Nice, thanks ... so, as missing some stepping facts ... I think the max is somewhere 28 Points ?
    start from the basics ...
    * no -1-8 Points, as server running some hours
    * no -1-8 Points, as I see even so servers with more then 0,400 seconds, or 400 ms
    * no -1 for every player over 16 players, mean keep 16
    * so +16 Points as 16 players
    * so +4 Points, for also then up to average minimum 8 players
    * and +8 Points as minimum 8 months old
= 28 max ?
(I miss 7 points as just over a month running now, but the change from 149 to 99 players shoot me up a lot, ...)

    BUT
    * is max 16 players still up to date, with this strong CPUs, see 3 servers have around 30 players and still a good ping/lag ...maybe 32 would be still now unrealistic anymore ?
    * is ping 400ms show any meaning as even far Europe is just 230-250 for me, and US also 230 ms, so here I see a realistic range of 0-130, still very good, and then make a minus latest starting somewhere 250 already ?
    * what is a "guest" player ... (how they are detected) ... I say this are visitors, checkout a new game like most with Multicraft now ... xxxxxx111 namers
    * would be more about unrealistic amount of mods, what takes the lag up, over ... mhh, when game gets boring as have to wait for a door, or cant fight mobs as there position comes late fixed ...
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 05:56

nice, after i merged two servers together, I lost the age from both old servers ... would be nice to cheat then back in ha
but list position is not important, and people mainly remember the name, and come in ...
 

User avatar
Lejo
Member
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 16:32
GitHub: Lejo1
In-game: Lejo
 

User avatar
Festus1965
Member
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:58
Location: Thailand - Chiang Mai (+5-6h to MEZ)
In-game: Thomas Explorer

Re: Serverlist Age cheat.

by Festus1965 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 04:28

Lejo wrote:Its important that you copy the env_meta.txt.
There is the Age saved.


Thanks, it worked !
so I gave the merged world (Celines Wildes Thailand) now the older age with 139d (from Sarasas "Celine in Thailand"),
and gave the old original the other one with some 24d,
that seams fair even not cheating the list - just switch the both.

But as the real world (Wildes Land) age is more then 2 years, I hope to get the file from the old Admin also, as more and more from the old gamers come back in and continue..
 


Return to Problems



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 1 guest