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Re: The forums go slow again

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confirm: a bit faster again, but far from speed I have seen on this forum

* most slow is forum main menu
* login comes fast, b8ut back to main slow
* open subforum is faster then the main
* open same subforum and also main soon after is faster than the first trial (cache ?)

maybe that gives a hint, where the problem could be
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Re: The forums go slow again

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still slow
only login page comes fast

I see at Firefox-trunk down at status repeating (same at 32bit version)
'waiting for forum.minetest.net ...'

ping with 227ms from here is 'normal'
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 00:38
still slow
only login page comes fast

I see at Firefox-trunk down at status repeating (same at 32bit version)
'waiting for forum.minetest.net ...'

ping with 227ms from here is 'normal'
why are ou using a 32 bit build of firefox though , try using a 64 bit build ? there are ARM64 single board computers (like RPi4 which i use ) that can probably perform equivalent if not faster to any 32 bit CPU out there for probably under 100$
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Re: The forums go slow again

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c56 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 01:25
why are ou using a 32 bit build of firefox though , try using a 64 bit build ?
I am using mainly 64bit, but used another browser to confirm it might not be on my side (internet, PC ... 4 Core, 8 Thread, 16 GB, hmm)
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 03:36
c56 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 01:25
why are ou using a 32 bit build of firefox though , try using a 64 bit build ?
I am using mainly 64bit, but used another browser to confirm it might not be on my side (internet, PC ... 4 Core, 8 Thread, 16 GB, hmm)
ok hmm how bout a 128 bit build ok joking aside a caching server for the minetest forums somewhere nearer to users might help if someone makes on (not me though ) depending on where the forums are hosted
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Re: The forums go slow again

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update:
* forum a bit faster, than the last week, but still slow
* most late, or even 10 sec missing are the items before the forum names
* login page fastest
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Re: The forums go slow again

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AND also the loading of server-list in Browser AND in client

it takes really long today to get server list,
forum still same slow

so if respond, add your own experience first (forum, client server list, Browser server list)
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The forum just fast now

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Just now (posting time) the forum opened fast !!

lats I see always repeating request http
maybe there is / was some configuration problem BEFORE the (webserver) forum itself - route ?

later: 8:46 UTC
still fast, nice
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Re: The forum slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 06:01
later: 8:46 UTC
still fast, nice
must have been special luck for me, is gone - all as before = slow
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Re: The forums go slow again

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again very slow,
even server list did not load in client nor at browser

as I just read several German based webpages (news) WITHOUT any problem in reach or speed
sure the problem is around the minetest.net server ...

even normal around 180-250 ms ping to Europa is different there

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ping minetest.net
PING minetest.net (51.159.52.190) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from nixa.8dromeda.net (51.159.52.190): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=413 ms

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ping forum.minetest.net
PING forum.minetest.net (51.159.52.190) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from nixa.8dromeda.net (51.159.52.190): icmp_seq=11 ttl=45 time=415 ms

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ping servers.minetest.net
PING kitsunemimi.pw (93.190.143.88) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from kitsunemimi.pw (93.190.143.88): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=367 ms
Why need to be a 'forward' to kitsunemimi.pw ???
Sure everyone remember, what is not *.minetest.net is not official ...
Netherlands, South Holland, Naaldwijk : WorldStream B.V.
funny, during put this data together another ping server.minetest.net did NOT use kitsunemimi.pw
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 18:59
Why need to be a 'forward' to kitsunemimi.pw ???
Sure everyone remember, what is not *.minetest.net is not official ...
Netherlands, South Holland, Naaldwijk : WorldStream B.V.
funny, during put this data together another ping server.minetest.net did NOT use kitsunemimi.pw
Here is the result from dig:

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$ dig servers.minetest.net

; <<>> DiG 9.18.8-1-Debian <<>> servers.minetest.net
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 25218
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;servers.minetest.net.		IN	A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
servers.minetest.net.	300	IN	CNAME	kitsunemimi.pw.
kitsunemimi.pw.		3600	IN	A	93.190.143.88

;; Query time: 156 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.0.138#53(10.0.0.138) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Wed Nov 30 13:44:03 AEDT 2022
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 93
So in DNS there is a CNAME record that points servers.minetest.net at kitsunemimi.pw and then an A record that lists the IP address of kitsunemimi.pw. However, you will notice that if you visit https://kitsunemimi.pw the webserver will respond with a different website than the one at servers.minetest.net. This arrangement lets the same server at 93.190.143.88 serve two websites under two different domains, so they share infrastructure, while still having a subdomain of minetest.net which like you said appears official.
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Re: The forums go slow again

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yes nice explained,
BUT
* that will not solve this slow reaction
* I miss a comment from you on the topic, was it slow for your at location also ?
* sometime gamer are without a list of not favorite servers ... slow might work some time, but nothing deliver NOT
maybe they are to busy with checking licenses - that is expensive, a slow server not /// yes
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 00:35
yes nice explained,
BUT
* that will not solve this slow reaction
* I miss a comment from you on the topic, was it slow for your at location also ?
* sometime gamer are without a list of not favorite servers ... slow might work some time, but nothing deliver NOT
maybe they are to busy with checking licenses - that is expensive, a slow server not /// yes
I haven't experienced the forums going slow in maybe 2 months, but I might have just not been online at the time that it was happening. I also have never had problems with the server list not loading inside Minetest, so again, either not online when it happens -- or maybe the server list is an ISP/Operating System problem of others only (or mostly).
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Blockhead wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 01:51
... -- or maybe the server list is an ISP/Operating System problem of others only (or mostly).
maybe ... fear Asia if joining on OWN location server, with that mass of people ... and maybe a reason for not integrate Thai chars ... hmm

but I am not guessing, in this case I go facts:
* https://tools.pingdom.com "Nobody Likes a Slow Website"
(url, performance grade, Page Size, Load time, ...)
-- from NorthAmerica --
** wikipedia.com : A 94 - 81.9 KB - 287 ms - ---
** google.com : B 90 - 1.1 MB - 621 ms - ...
** minetest.net : B 85 - 2.1 MB - 482 ms - ..
** forum.minetest.net : D 70 - 426.7 KB - 19.21 s (no compressing, no expire header, too much http requests)
** server.minetest.net : A 95 - 253.3 KB - 273 ms (Add Expires headers)
-- from Asia --
** minetest.net : B 85 - 2.1 MB - 1.73 s
** forum.minetest.net : D 70 - 332.o KB - 20.06 s - ... (same and ! 'Avoid URL redirects')
** servers.minetest.net : A 94 - 254.2 KB - 1.08 s - ... (Add Expires headers)
-- Europe - Frankfurt --
** minetest.net : B 85 - 2.1 MB - 681 ms - ... (Add Expires headers, ...)
** forum.minetest.net : D 70 - 425.1 KB - 18.84 s - ... (Compress components with gzip, Use cookie-free domains, Add Expires headers, Make fewer HTTP requests)
** servers.minetest.net : A 95 - 253.3 KB - 81 ms - ...

Is your net so slow, that you never get pages faster than 20 seconds ? Then I may understand that you don't feel !!! a late shown page, but for me it is clear ... and this test show the facts ...
the forum IS loading SLOW !

https://pagespeed.web.dev/ show speed index 15.4 s

and
https://gtmetrix.com/ is the same direction : 15.9 s

but it seam not to be a problem for most user here, or they KNOW ? that reporting is useless ?
when I see how fast some gamer complain in the game about 1 second already ... mean they are NOT using the forum (anymore) ... ?
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Festus1965 wrote:
Fri Dec 02, 2022 01:40
Blockhead wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 01:51
... -- or maybe the server list is an ISP/Operating System problem of others only (or mostly).
Is your net so slow, that you never get pages faster than 20 seconds ? Then I may understand that you don't feel !!! a late shown page, but for me it is clear ... and this test show the facts ...
the forum IS loading SLOW !
Some days/times of day it is better, sometimes worse. But only up to maybe 15 seconds of page loading time in my experience. Also, the way I usually use the forums is to check the 'unread posts' from the Quick links at the top of the page and open all the new ones from all the forums except the ones in other languages than English. This queues up the page loads so that by the time I'm done opening the last tab the first one has already fully loaded and the rest load in the background while I read.
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Re: The forums go slow again

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Blockhead wrote:
Fri Dec 02, 2022 05:10
... But only up to maybe 15 seconds of page loading time in my experience.
... opening the last tab the first one has already fully loaded and the rest load in the background while I read.
15 sec is NOT normal for this kind of forum,
and the first page is important to get the login and see the new post options = have to wait once
and smaller units have NOT the option to open several tabs and let them load 'background'

so I see the difference to other times ... and see also the steady switching load message from browser - that is unusual.
Anywhere you found a solution ... but 15 sec IS a problem.

The linked analyzing pages show even what is wrong or not set there,
if this problems are solved ... maybe a slow server and disc could be left.

AS there is no response about a maybe server change etc. I can only point so far.
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Re: The forums go slow again

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so slow that I forgot what I wanted to post ... let me remember ...

ah yes, server-list
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Re: The forums go slow again

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so I created two videos, link to Youtube then

from both PC, the gaming PC with only 100 MBps,
and Server itself with 1 GB connection

each 3 test via Speedtest.net to
* Scaleway - Paris (forum.minetest.net)
* ORANGE in Paris
* local server in Chiang Mai for max I can

Videos:
* slower Gaming PC
* faster MT Server

so first I
* realize Forum load slow, then
* I proof via Webpagetester from 3 Continents Forum is slow
* now I proof forum host is really SLOW

so solution is clear : change the provider, hoster, whatever ...
maybe that videos will wake up some others also
and Scaleway have to react also to survive in that business
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Re: The forums go slow again

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hola, that long post about the SAMMY Awards was already lucky,
so I check

Scaleway - speedtest :
Download Mbps
65.21

Upload Mbps
68.02

just luck, or a reaction on my mail to them or and Youtube ?
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Re: The forums go slow again

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today morning about 0:00 source / server time
deliver NOTHING even over proxy

now just posible, after 2-3 minute wait for load of a page
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Re: The forums go slow again

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today morning about 0:00 source / server time
deliver NOTHING even over proxy

now just possible, after 2-3 minute wait for load of a page
... now after 30 minutes I am ready for 2 posts ... nice (joke)
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Re: The forums go slow again

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I had ~ 5 seconds yesterday (~ 12:00 server time)...
At ~ 11:30 server time: ~ 12 seconds

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Re: The forums go slow again

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forum seam faster since around new-year
IF there was some work done = wanna tell you seam to work

but now I see sometime over 1800 ms lag distance for server-list = I get reduced points, and see that result some time
not that bad, as most new player have not the Brain to survive techage mod anywhere ... but interesting

and as this low lag and late forum is ONLY at this both pages, and a bit at vulkane.net but never ever at all other pages in Germany or Europe I visit ... quit a easy guess what is wrong ...
even after proof with values from other locations (famous test weg pages)

So every one is free to think further ... haha ... have fun
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Re: The forums go slow again

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2,5 seconds... !

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squid-cache - Re: The forums go slow again

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Hi,

One could always complain or one could for once find a local solution ...

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