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Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by ABJ » Tue Aug 09, 2016 14:55

Okay. I know this is a strange idea, and I may not even properly know what I'm trying to talk about, but what if Minetest, or other video games, used graphics engines (wait, am I correct?) that only rendered black and white, where all we need is a base texture and how dark it is, instead of all this RGB stuff? How much would performance be improved? Could such a thing be done?
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by lisacvuk » Wed Aug 10, 2016 06:55

You'd probably only save memory, I think. Performance probably wouldn't be really improved, at least not noticeably. I'm not expert (or even over the basics level) in this field, so feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong (or actually not wrong).
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by MineYoshi » Wed Aug 10, 2016 21:07

lisacvuk wrote:You'd probably only save memory, I think. Performance probably wouldn't be really improved, at least not noticeably. I'm not expert (or even over the basics level) in this field, so feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong (or actually not wrong).

May be...

In my opinion you can get a bit more of performance, in Black and White...
If you modify the code to make that particles, only be of one color...

Can be a good idea do that...
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by ABJ » Thu Aug 11, 2016 06:41

Yeah.
I was thinking that now we have to deal with four values (RGBA) but then we'd need only one?
 

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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by MineYoshi » Thu Aug 11, 2016 22:05

ABJ wrote:Yeah.
I was thinking that now we have to deal with four values (RGBA) but then we'd need only one?

Actually Black Is the absence of the colors, the black is the presence (Totally) of every one...
RGBA means RedGreenBlueAlpha...
If you think about some textures can have "alpha" or transparency, you don't going to only handle one value!
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by Ferk » Thu Aug 11, 2016 22:19

This makes no difference in current hardware. Even if you use some sort of grayscale in your textures, at some point it'd end up translated into some internal representation that separates it in color channels that mix to give whatever shade of gray (that's how the screens work anyway).

I doubt you'd even save memory unless you use some archaic format to store the image data in memory. And even then it won't make it any faster.. perhaps slower depending how awkward the format is to deal with.

If you want faster image loading better just don't use any sort of image compression (unless you have a slow hard disk). The image will be larger on disk but it will load faster on memory. But even then you probably won't notice much of a difference anyway.
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by MineYoshi » Thu Aug 11, 2016 22:49

Ferk wrote:This makes no difference in current hardware. Even if you use some sort of grayscale in your textures, at some point it'd end up translated into some internal representation that separates it in color channels that mix to give whatever shade of gray (that's how the screens work anyway).

I doubt you'd even save memory unless you use some archaic format to store the image data in memory. And even then it won't make it any faster.. perhaps slower depending how awkward the format is to deal with.

If you want faster image loading better just don't use any sort of image compression (unless you have a slow hard disk). The image will be larger on disk but it will load faster on memory. But even then you probably won't notice much of a difference anyway.

But actually can be good for trying to test out how is Minetest when it got to convert RGBA textures to Black/White ones...
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by ABJ » Fri Aug 12, 2016 08:01

OK.
In any case, we can just have one texture and set how dark it is (eg; pinewood, wood, junglewood, acaciawood, etc) with the same texture and a little coding.

Either way, IMHO all those World War simulators should become black-and-white.
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by MineYoshi » Fri Aug 12, 2016 22:15

ABJ wrote:OK.
In any case, we can just have one texture and set how dark it is (eg; pinewood, wood, junglewood, acaciawood, etc) with the same texture and a little coding.

Maybe...
If you change the palete to only 4 greys, i don't know. the game can be faster, starting from the point that when a texture is less bigger, and less colorful... It's faster to load!
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by cd2 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:09

To see how it could look, just add this line of code to the end of opengl_fragmet.glsl (for me its line 212):

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col = vec4((col.b+col.g+col.b)/3.0,(col.b+col.g+col.b)/3.0,(col.b+col.g+col.b)/3.0, col.a);


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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by cd2 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:22

ABJ wrote:Thanks and where is it?

client/shaders/node_shader

ABJ wrote:BTW what about the sky though.

It just changes all nodes, but I think you cant change the sky color via a shader is it?

PS : This wont improve performance
 

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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by azekill_DIABLO » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:33

yep. i think shaders should be applying to all elements in game.
 

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by Hybrid Dog » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:55

Try this:
col.rgb = vec3(max(col.rgb.r, max(col.rgb.g, col.rgb.b)));
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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by cd2 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 07:38

ABJ wrote:BTW where to paste anyway?

cd2 wrote:(for me its line 212)
 

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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by cd2 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 09:47

cd2 wrote:
ABJ wrote:Thanks and where is it?

client/shaders/node_shader


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Re: Black-and-white Minetest/video games

by BBmine » Wed Mar 01, 2017 03:03

Interesting..... I could use a texture pack too :)
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