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Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 01:49
by D00Med
Those are good ideas, thanks.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 16:57
by Kosmos
Hi,
i have made textures for a yellow lambogoni.
lambogoni textures.zip
Textures for the yellow lambogoni.
(60.12 KiB) Downloaded 52 times

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 18:31
by azekill_DIABLO
i hope it will be nice ones!

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 20:08
by D00Med
Do you mind if I use these in the mod? (I made some improvements)

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 04:44
by Kosmos
No, you can use the textures.
The vehicles mod is one of the best mod (so i think).

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 19:22
by D00Med
Thanks, I've added the yellow lambogoni

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 19:12
by Wuzzy
Interesting mod, but it needs much work to become actually useful.

The driving physics are pretty simple. IMO they are too primitive for my taste. It seems there are only 3 speeds: Stop, normal speed and turbo speed. There's a slight accelleration mechanic, but it happens so quickly that this effect is barely noticable. You usually go from 0 to turbo very quickly. Especially the accellation behaviour needs improvement IMO, otherwise the vehicles are just fancy tools to increase your walking speed. :D
Backwards is exactly as fast as forwards. IMO would be better if backwards is always a bit slower.
Also, I dislike how backwards driving works. You can go from turbo to backwards almost instantly. It would be better if the backwards key first acts as a brake before it actually goes backwards.
It is interesting that the looking direction determines the driving direction. Obviously this is not realistic at all but I think this is intentional and a core mechanic of this mod, so I don't criticize it here.
The controls of the vehicles don't make sense. It is just all over the place and completely inconsistent with conventions.
The models are pretty neat!
The collision boxes of the vehicles need some love as well. For some vehicles they are so small you can easily walk “into” the vehicle. IMO collision boxes do not need to be perfect, but it should at least make sense.

Placement/removal of vehicles is awkward. IMO placement should happen with right mouse button, it's more consistent.

Suggestions:

- Separate nodes from vehicles (I've posted a PR on your GitHub page)
- Add sounds
- Move “turbo” action to the “Use” (E) key instead of sneak
- Use space bar for special actions, if available (shooting missile, etc.)
- Add brakes, and use the sneak key to activate it
- Place vehicles with right mouse button instead of left

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 20:25
by D00Med
Thankyou for your advice, it's very useful.
There are a few things I think should stay the same though.
The physics is definitely WIP, I hope to improve it later.
The reason I used looking as the control method is because it appears to be faster than using buttons to turn the vehicles. When I can improve the physics this might change. As far as I'm concerned the controls are fine, but I agree that 'e' is much better than 'shift', I was going to save that for when I made brakes. Collision boxes are a problem. Ideally they should be square and match the length of the vehicle, but that would make them very awkward to move around, or is there some way to rotate the collision box? Also the placement of vehicles is dependent on my ability to program, I haven't been able to get pointed_thing to work with right-click.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 20:35
by DS-minetest
D00Med wrote: I agree that 'e' is much better than 'shift'
better call it "aux1" and "sneak" for players, who dont use the standard key configuration
D00Med wrote:is there some way to rotate the collision box?
you cant really turn it, you can only change the size with set_properties(object property table) (api) and the collision box is defined in the object property table, maybe it works

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 20:49
by D00Med
oh yes sorry.
hmm, I could at least set it to be longer if it rotated 90degrees with the vehicles.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 21:16
by Wuzzy
Please don't say “aux1” (unless developing) for the [E] key either. This is a very obscure and arcane name and will likely not be understood by players.
The key is officially called “Use”, according to the key configuration menu. We should speak the language the players speak. :-)
Yes, the name is stupid, as this has very little to do with using stuff. But it's the official name. I proposed to change the official key name to “Turbo”: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4703

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 15:03
by azekill_DIABLO
Why does the running key is called "use"?

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 16:02
by Wuzzy
I don't know. Paramat agrees it is a terrible name, and we are discussing to change the name.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 16:29
by LazerRay
I think the reason why the "E" is named "use" is because of other games that have it assigned to that function such as games made by Valve and Bethesda, plus quite a few small developers, so it might just have that name since that is what a lot of players are used to.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 16:46
by Andrey01
DOOMed, will you add more vehicles(police, ambulance, fire car, larry, bus and tram)?

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 19:29
by D00Med
I will, but first I want to improve the physics and add brakes.
I am working on a model for an ambulance.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 13:31
by AccidentallyRhine
The minimum functionality is great as is so the only thing that really struck me as "off" when driving a vehicle is the ominous silence. The sounds do not need to be anything fancy, just something to suggest that the player is moving... quickly. Bonus points for embarking/disembarking sounds as simple engine startup and shutdown noises.

Edit: Almost forgot why I commented in the first place: Do you plan to add crafting recipes eventually? I think it would not make sense to map a single recipe to something as sophisticated as a vehicle. I would recommend a cascading recipe where players must craft, for example, an engine, a frame, wheels, etc and then assemble those into a final recipe.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 15:52
by azekill_DIABLO
i agree that the vehicules could do noises!
but i love the plane system!!!!

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 16:06
by DS-minetest
the most mod makers are happy if some others give them media to work with, especially sounds, because they are difficult to make self

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 19:16
by D00Med
I agree, and thankyou for the suggestion.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 03:13
by AccidentallyRhine
Bug: Breaking a vehicle from within while in third person perspective causes player model to disappear. Only in-game fix I have found has been to get back in a vehicle and break it while in first person perspective.

On that note, third person perspective feels really natural for cars. Maybe there is a way to make 3rd person default view for entering vehicles?

Other oddities:
1. Cars drive underwater uninhibited.
2. Planes can fly backward.
3. Boat immediately breaks on placement.

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 06:28
by D00Med
That has been really annoying me, I can't seem to fix it.
That'd be great, but so far I've had trouble with that. I can make it seem like 3rd person from 1st person, but the hand/weilded item is still visible and the view gets stuck (just like the invisible player).

regarding the other problems:
1. will be fixed
2. *facepalm* will DEFINITELY be fixed
3. will be fixed.

There is a big update coming.
edit: I've fixed the player dissappearing(not updated yet).

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 20:31
by D00Med
Udated!:
>added driving sound for cars
>added accelleration for cars
>vehicles require ammo for weapons
>planes can no longer fly backwards
>vehicles slow down in water
>fixed an error in the parachute
>vehicles explode when destroyed
>stairs dependancy is now optional
>vehicles can be removed and picked up if there is no driver
>fixed the jet flying away after exiting
>added crafting recipes and materials

changes thanks to Wuzzy:
>added setting vehicles_nodes = true/false
>added sound to basic nodes
>made tyres fall
>changed tunnel lights texture

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 20:44
by DS-minetest
nice

Re: [mod] Vehicles [vehicles]

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 16:23
by Andrey01
Good changes, but i thought that you have added new vehicles