Administration abuse
Administration abuse
One day i was playing minetest with one of my friends. In the chat my friend called someone crybaby. At reading this, one of the admin killed my friend, destroy his house, and killed me, i was shocked, i asked him why he had to kill me too, his response was " you was in my way" minutes later he ban my friend account and mines too.
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Re: Administration abuse
Switch servers and don't self-quote.
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Re: Administration abuse
See this post.
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Re: Administration abuse
Switch servers. Admins/Owners can do as they please. If you don't like how a server is run, no one is forcing you to stay. In my opinion, this is wrong, It should have gone through steps, like warn/kill/ban or something, but it's their server.
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Re: Administration abuse
Change server, and tell us what is the name ofthe server :p
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Re: Administration abuse
The name of the serve is xanadu.
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Re: Administration abuse
Go elsewhere, such as "Onez' Minetest Server" (You may overhear me in the IRC channel)KLK wrote:The name of the serve is xanadu.
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Re: Administration abuse
Really? I thought that one was much nicer... Then again, it isn't hosted by TenPlus1...
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8494
^^ This is the forum thread ^^ I think that would be the most appropriate place to complain.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8494
^^ This is the forum thread ^^ I think that would be the most appropriate place to complain.
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Re: Administration abuse
I've been pinged enough on IRC to deal with him - including a complete ban from the serverlist.philipbenr wrote:Really? I thought that one was much nicer... Then again, it isn't hosted by TenPlus1...
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8494
^^ This is the forum thread ^^ I think that would be the most appropriate place to complain.
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Re: Administration abuse
Yes of course, i agree.Tedypig wrote:Switch servers. Admins/Owners can do as they please. If you don't like how a server is run, no one is forcing you to stay. In my opinion, this is wrong, It should have gone through steps, like warn/kill/ban or something, but it's their server.
BUT, if admins exaggerate of they powers and punish players without any reasons, i think it's very bad for the minetest community ! And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
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Re: Administration abuse
This doesn't surprise me at all.Jordach wrote:I've been pinged enough on IRC to deal with him - including a complete ban from the serverlist.philipbenr wrote:Really? I thought that one was much nicer... Then again, it isn't hosted by TenPlus1...
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8494
^^ This is the forum thread ^^ I think that would be the most appropriate place to complain.
It's funny, you know, that the individual never posts in these forums.
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Re: Administration abuse
That's not possible. Anyone can run a public server. All that the Minetest devs could do is set a policy about how you're allowed to run servers listed on the server list, but that would require presenting this policy any time you start the server and wouldn't be easy to enforce.Minetestforfun wrote:And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
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Re: Administration abuse
I'll prove you wrong: most Cube 2 games (like Sauerbraten, Tesseract or Red Eclipse) include an auth system which allows players to claim master or admin on any server (public-private key authentication), as long as it appears in the public server list.onpon4 wrote:That's not possible. Anyone can run a public server. All that the Minetest devs could do is set a policy about how you're allowed to run servers listed on the server list, but that would require presenting this policy any time you start the server and wouldn't be easy to enforce.Minetestforfun wrote:And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
The server can remove the code that allows such a thing, but then it'll be banned from the server list. The servers on the list also have to obey many guidelines (no gameplay-modyfing mods and such, or a whole guidelines.txt file).
You may think this is an evil backdoor, but it's widely accepted in the Cube 2 community. If such a thing ever gets added to Minetest, it should be opt-in.
Try to stay away from the most populated servers from now, they're full of mobile clients and immature players. ;)
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Re: Administration abuse
I didn't know games based on cube 2 had this system in place. In my opinion, it's a good example to follow
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Re: Administration abuse
Read your sentence again and thing about it. There are admins on a server equipped with special powers to prevent normal players to behave wrong. Now when those admins abuse their status you want an über-admin that has even more powers to abuse and you hope that those will prevent normal admins to behave wrong.Minetestforfun wrote:BUT, if admins exaggerate of they powers and punish players without any reasons, i think it's very bad for the minetest community ! And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
If I ever find the motivation to set up a public server it will be without any admins or moderators.
And I think it is worth the effort to write some mods that remove the need for them.
Re: Administration abuse
Thanks everybody for your comments. i think this is wrong what that guy is doing. I'm not that much concerned about what happened to me, but others players. I think there should be people behind the scene who watch how the admins are doing their things. My information is not concrete, but i heard this guy who banned me, also had ban 16 people in the last five days. This got me very concerned, what do you guys think?
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Re: Administration abuse
well if the guy is banning without reason there then notify the server owner and tell him that an admin is out of control and what the abusive admin has done that you know of.
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Re: Administration abuse
Voteban, votemute, voteprivs, votekick....Casimir wrote:Read your sentence again and thing about it. There are admins on a server equipped with special powers to prevent normal players to behave wrong. Now when those admins abuse their status you want an über-admin that has even more powers to abuse and you hope that those will prevent normal admins to behave wrong.Minetestforfun wrote:BUT, if admins exaggerate of they powers and punish players without any reasons, i think it's very bad for the minetest community ! And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
If I ever find the motivation to set up a public server it will be without any admins or moderators.
And I think it is worth the effort to write some mods that remove the need for them.
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Re: Administration abuse
Voting is a potential solution, but people could bring clones in order to vote. You may have to allow only 1 vote per IP to impede that.Jordach wrote:Voteban, votemute, voteprivs, votekick....Casimir wrote:Read your sentence again and thing about it. There are admins on a server equipped with special powers to prevent normal players to behave wrong. Now when those admins abuse their status you want an über-admin that has even more powers to abuse and you hope that those will prevent normal admins to behave wrong.Minetestforfun wrote:BUT, if admins exaggerate of they powers and punish players without any reasons, i think it's very bad for the minetest community ! And i think, a higher authority should be there to protect the players from this kind of situation... (specifically on public servers)
If I ever find the motivation to set up a public server it will be without any admins or moderators.
And I think it is worth the effort to write some mods that remove the need for them.
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Maybe you could combine mods to automate moderating and voting together. eg. if a "moderator mod" detects that a player is griefing, it would go up for vote.Calinou wrote:Voting is a potential solution, but people could bring clones in order to vote. You may have to allow only 1 vote per IP to impede that.Jordach wrote: Voteban, votemute, voteprivs, votekick....
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Re: Administration abuse
Or more general.Jordach wrote:Voteban, votemute, voteprivs, votekick....
Code: Select all
/vote "/time 6000"
Casimir wants to execute "/time 6000". Current result of voting is 1/14. White either "/vote accept" or "/vote deny" to vote.
You could have some kind of consensus. With 1. some proportion of all player have to accept 2. no one disagrees (except the one getting banned).Calinou wrote:but people could bring clones in order to vote.
Re: Administration abuse
KLK, you forgot to mention that your friends were swearing in server and harassing the girl so a decision was made that players like that should not be on the server since children play there also... Part of the ban is that their builds are removed so other players can use that area...KLK wrote:One day i was playing minetest with one of my friends. In the chat my friend called someone crybaby. At reading this, one of the admin killed my friend, destroy his house, and killed me, i was shocked, i asked him why he had to kill me too, his response was " you was in my way" minutes later he ban my friend account and mines too.
Re: Administration abuse
Tenplus you forgot that i also was banned and i didn't have anything to do with it. Also my friend wasn't swearing and the guy who banned us titanius harass more Tiko than he did to the girl.
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Re: Administration abuse
Removing admins alltogether, voting, consensus, technical solutions - all that may be part of it but isn't the definite, finite solution to all problems in the world. Some of these things may create even more problems on Minetest servers.
Regarding this particular server and incident, it might not even have been malice or anything like that. Even on a normal server, with good tools available to the moderators/admins (especially rollback_check and logs), there is room for error. Xanandu does not offer these tools. Thus, a moderator/admin confronted with 20 or more kindergarden-children killing each other at spawn, jumping about with nothing but tiny names above them, some random lag thrown in, never having consulted with other admins, may get confused easily and make errors. Besides, maintaining a server - either as mod or admin - is a learning process. There are servers out there with more experienced admins. Though those did (and do), in their time, learn as well. Perhaps you ought to talk to TenPlus1, who's a moderator at the Xanandu server, and who may forward your problem and thus help the mod/admin in question learn a bit more.
Please take a look at more than one server and select one you're comftable with. Servers and the rules and priorities their admins employ may differ a lot. If you're looking for a server that is very stable and friendly to builders, take a look at linuxgaming.us, one of VanessaEs servers, the KingArthur server or Redcrabs server. They have been around a while, care about protecting buildings, usually have more than one moderator and have moderators who share their experience with others. Which in turn implies that players are expected to at least try to behave well on these servers.
Regarding this particular server and incident, it might not even have been malice or anything like that. Even on a normal server, with good tools available to the moderators/admins (especially rollback_check and logs), there is room for error. Xanandu does not offer these tools. Thus, a moderator/admin confronted with 20 or more kindergarden-children killing each other at spawn, jumping about with nothing but tiny names above them, some random lag thrown in, never having consulted with other admins, may get confused easily and make errors. Besides, maintaining a server - either as mod or admin - is a learning process. There are servers out there with more experienced admins. Though those did (and do), in their time, learn as well. Perhaps you ought to talk to TenPlus1, who's a moderator at the Xanandu server, and who may forward your problem and thus help the mod/admin in question learn a bit more.
Please take a look at more than one server and select one you're comftable with. Servers and the rules and priorities their admins employ may differ a lot. If you're looking for a server that is very stable and friendly to builders, take a look at linuxgaming.us, one of VanessaEs servers, the KingArthur server or Redcrabs server. They have been around a while, care about protecting buildings, usually have more than one moderator and have moderators who share their experience with others. Which in turn implies that players are expected to at least try to behave well on these servers.
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Re: Administration abuse
I'm totally agree with you Sokomine. Is ok for admin sometimes to ban people because they are inexperience, but the problem is why he had to involve other people and start harassing the players, they should be the example.
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