Items stackable by 100 ?

[vitalie]

+1 for 100

Other options, like 64 or 144, aren't much different from 99. Most people have difficulty with non-decimal systems, so "power-of-two" argumentation isn't really relevant.

[Linuxdirk]

+1 for 100

Yes. You can calculate the amout of material on-the-fly with stacks of 100: “I have 15 stacks of cobblestone, that makes 1500 cobblestones in total which will be enough for what I want to do”, while when having stacks of 99 it is “I have 15 stacks of cobblestone, that makes … uhm … I guess I take another stack, just to be safe.”

[Hybrid Dog]

+1 for 100

Yes. You can calculate the amout of material on-the-fly with stacks of 100: “I have 15 stacks of cobblestone, that makes 1500 cobblestones in total which will be enough for what I want to do”, while when having stacks of 99 it is “I have 15 stacks of cobblestone, that makes … uhm … I guess I take another stack, just to be safe.”

15 * 99 = 15 * 100 - 15 = 1485

[vitalie]

15 * 99 = 15 * 100 - 15 = 1485

Let's put it the other way round. "I need 1500 cobblestones. That would be ... err ... Hey, how many stacks would that be?"

With stacks of 100, you move the decimal point two positions to the left, round up and get the result. With stacks of 99 you do what? Yep, you do the same thing and take an extra stack just to be safe :-)

[philipbenr]

I like 100... 144 is cool, but it is really weird...

100 or 99. After that, it gets complicated. Plus, people like multiples of 10.

[MineYoshi]

a question "/giveme default:mese 500" works?

I tried it many time ago but i don't know...

[Don]

a question "/giveme default:mese 500" works?

I tried it many time ago but i don't know...

Yes, giveme can add huge stacks.

[MineYoshi]

a question "/giveme default:mese 500" works?

I tried it many time ago but i don't know...

Yes, giveme can add huge stacks.

thanks
But that huge stacks only work using the command...

[Don]

a question "/giveme default:mese 500" works?

I tried it many time ago but i don't know...

Yes, giveme can add huge stacks.

thanks
But that huge stacks only work using the command...

Mods can also set the size ofthestack. Just add stack_max = whatever to the node def.

[wilkgr76]

No matter what we do, someone will be unhappy.

E.g, we do stacks of 600. SOMEONE will say that's too much. So we change to 300. Yep, you guessed it. Someone says that's not enough, and someone else says that's perfect and the next two people say it's too much.

[Wuzzy]

Just some thoughts: Reducing the default stack size to a value below 99 can be a minor problem because it will not be backwards-compatible with existing worlds. There will be still item stacks of 99 after the update.
Increasing the stack size would be unproblematic, of course.

But I really don't care as long as you don't make the number smaller. I am fine with both 99 and 100. At the end of the day, it is up for the subgame developer to set sane and balanced stack sizes for the stuff in the subgames. Nobody argues about the engine default images for hotbars and crossbar, all good subgames just use custom textures. So why should default stack sizes be different? Go complain to the subgame authors instead.

What would be much more important IMO would be a way to set the default stack size, maybe among other default values for new items. Imagine you have a subgame where you want to have all “normal” items to be of size 64. Now some generic mod comes along, and, having the stack size not set, it defaults to 99. That's not good from the subgame perspective. The possibility to set the default stack size would overcome this.

Maybe (!), along with this feature, the engine default could be set to 65535, the maximum number the engine permits. It's extreme, but there are 3 ideas behind this:
- Sane default to make mods and subgames work “out of the box”
- Subgames will be “forced” to overwrite this number and actually *think* about stack sizes, instead of just mindlessly using the engine default. :-)
- Perfect for testing and quick hacks, before the hard work of gameplay balancing begins

The downside of my extreme idea is of course that old subgames will suddenly fall extremely out of balance until they are updated again. :/

[Don]

Wuzzy. Love the idea. Would be great if it was a conf setting. default_stack_size = 99

[Hybrid Dog]

15 * 99 = 15 * 100 - 15 = 1485

Let's put it the other way round. "I need 1500 cobblestones. That would be ... err ... Hey, how many stacks would that be?"

With stacks of 100, you move the decimal point two positions to the left, round up and get the result. With stacks of 99 you do what? Yep, you do the same thing and take an extra stack just to be safe :-)

1500 = 15 * 100 = 15 * (99 + 1) → 15x99 + 1x15

[yyt16384]

Just some thoughts: Reducing the default stack size to a value below 99 can be a minor problem because it will not be backwards-compatible with existing worlds. There will be still item stacks of 99 after the update.
Increasing the stack size would be unproblematic, of course.

Actually both would be incompatible in some subtle ways. People may depend on an existing stack being normal (size <= stack_max), or depend on a stack being full.

Maybe (!), along with this feature, the engine default could be set to 65535, the maximum number the engine permits. It's extreme, but there are 3 ideas behind this:
- Sane default to make mods and subgames work “out of the box”
- Subgames will be “forced” to overwrite this number and actually *think* about stack sizes, instead of just mindlessly using the engine default. :-)
- Perfect for testing and quick hacks, before the hard work of gameplay balancing begins

I guess most people will not think about this and just use a number like 99. :)

[vitalie]

15 * 99 = 15 * 100 - 15 = 1485

Let's put it the other way round. "I need 1500 cobblestones. That would be ... err ... Hey, how many stacks would that be?"

With stacks of 100, you move the decimal point two positions to the left, round up and get the result. With stacks of 99 you do what? Yep, you do the same thing and take an extra stack just to be safe :-)

1500 = 15 * 100 = 15 * (99 + 1) → 15x99 + 1x15

That's exactly what I was saying. With stacks of 99, you still need 100s.

[philipbenr]

Wuzzy. Love the idea. Would be great if it was a conf setting. default_stack_size = 99

+1 Best suggestion yet.

[Hybrid Dog]

https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1843

[glichgamer12]

Ok math wizards. The only thing I don't understand is why just bring it up ONE number, to 100?

[Gael de Sailly]

Ok math wizards. The only thing I don't understand is why just bring it up ONE number, to 100?

The objective is not to increase stack max, but to set it to a round number, easier to calculate with. I suppose (I may have wrong) that at the beginning, it wasn't possible to display 3 digits, and the stacks have been limited to 99. That's no more the case now. That's why I propose 100.

[everamzah]

The size of a player's crafting grid is typically 9, which is a divisor of 99, but not 100. I get a cool 11 coal blocks from 99 coal lumps, for example.

[orwell]

but in Minecraft its only stackable to 64..

We are not minecraft!

Put this on the top of init.lua of the default mod:

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minetest.craftitemdef_default.stack_max=100
minetest.nodedef_default.stack_max=100
minetest.noneitemdef_default.stack_max=100

to set the default stack size to 100 (or any other value you dream of)
I agree, 100 is easier to calculate with and is an even number.

[Mainpage]

This is like the metric v imperial debate...
BTW metric is better

[Hybrid Dog]

We are not minecraft!

thanks

or any other value you dream of

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minetest.craftitemdef_default.stack_max=0/0
minetest.nodedef_default.stack_max=0/0
minetest.noneitemdef_default.stack_max=0/0

my oneiric value doesn't work :G
the stack size is set to 1 ;¬ {

[wilkgr76]

We are not minecraft!

thanks

or any other value you dream of

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minetest.craftitemdef_default.stack_max=0/0
minetest.nodedef_default.stack_max=0/0
minetest.noneitemdef_default.stack_max=0/0

my oneiric value doesn't work :G
the stack size is set to 1 ;¬ {

Well, how di you want a stack of 0 items??

[yyt16384]

Put this on the top of init.lua of the default mod:

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minetest.craftitemdef_default.stack_max=100
minetest.nodedef_default.stack_max=100
minetest.noneitemdef_default.stack_max=100

to set the default stack size to 100 (or any other value you dream of)
I agree, 100 is easier to calculate with and is an even number.

It won't work for mods that load before default...

Just edit builtin/game/item.lua instead.