Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by csirolli » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:01

Guys this is not a PvP forum. Lol. You guys are crazy.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Andrey01 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 18:30

5.0.0 will come in some months. In some months means 2/3 months for development. Therefore don`t worry.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Nutty8 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 04:51

Man, I came across this topic and it was impossible to not laugh near the end. Seriously, for me, it's just a number switch. C'mon, even calling the previous versions with that zero at the start, it would take years to be used (to change by one!), so that zero cannot be more useless than it is right now. (O_o)
And being SemVer or not, it's still a version number, officially or not. Call it by a codename if you want :')
(Minetest DatPreciousZero Version, (5.0.0))
But it can really bring a bit of confusion, it would be good if a big announcement around this subject was made, maybe in the website (and also in the forum).

Also, I have a question.
Why mobs aren't native in Minetest? I think that 5.1.0 (corrected by v-rob ( >u0)) would be a nice opportunity to introduce mobs as native features. Playing MTG as survival, offline and without mobs, makes swords and armor pretty pointless...
I tried mods for mobs (mob engine, nssm, and even TenPlus1's Mobs Redo which is very good!), but relying in an interpreted language (such as Lua) to deal with objects which require constant processing doesn't seem to be a good idea...
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by v-rob » Sun Jul 08, 2018 19:20

Nutty8 wrote:I think that 0.5.1...


All that talking about version numbers, and you goofed it up right afterwords :-P
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Krock » Sun Jul 08, 2018 19:33

Nutty8 wrote:I think that 0.5.1 would be a nice opportunity to introduce mobs as native features.

Having a formspec replacement and a better networking code would be nice too - oh and please a native realms API. Would be lovely. What works in commercial projects with TODOs and deadlines doesn't work out that well in open-source projects like Minetest. We're happy to see new contributors so that the project goes onward faster.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Nutty8 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 16:11

v-rob wrote:
Nutty8 wrote:I think that 0.5.1...


All that talking about version numbers, and you goofed it up right afterwords :-P


Oh man, I was just so hyped by the news of a major release four or five months ago
And only discovered before yesterday that the number changed :')
I went everywhere speaking "OMG! 0.5.0 is coming!"
Force of habit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Nutty8 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 16:24

Krock wrote:
Nutty8 wrote:I think that 0.5.1 would be a nice opportunity to introduce mobs as native features.

Having a formspec replacement and a better networking code would be nice too - oh and please a native realms API. Would be lovely. What works in commercial projects with TODOs and deadlines doesn't work out that well in open-source projects like Minetest. We're happy to see new contributors so that the project goes onward faster.

I think the same about network (mainly after playing OpenTTD online) and formspec.
Also,
What can I do to be a Minetest (Game or not) developer?
EDIT: (My first programming language was C++, I also studied C in high's school integrated technical lessons and college (in addition to Python), but I'm very bad at graphical interfaces and using other libraries except for the standard ones (because only made console applications).) i'm reading the development wiki. And about TODOs and deadlines, I know that the work is totally based in passion, but such features cannot be implemented individually by a developer at own rhythm?
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by ManElevation » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:59

nrz wrote:Minetest next release will be a breaking compat release.

is there a estimated time for completion?
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Andrey01 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:20

ManElevation wrote:
nrz wrote:Minetest next release will be a breaking compat release.

is there a estimated time for completion?

Merely few months for the development.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by ManElevation » Tue Jul 10, 2018 13:15

Andrey01 wrote:Merely few months for the development.

? dint they start like a year ago?
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Andrey01 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 20:16

ManElevation wrote:
Andrey01 wrote:Merely few months for the development.

? dint they start like a year ago?

This is breaking update. And so updates are usually developed for a long time. Very long development also may mean the update will be massive and it will contain multiplicity of changes, bugfixes and content. That`s why be patient! I hope the devs will release it in 1 or 2 months.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Linuxdirk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 08:44

Andrey01 wrote:I hope the devs will release it in 1 or 2 months.

That would be awesome, yes. But seeing the development speed and the recent releases I assume the new release won't be available till late Q4/2018 or early Q1/2019.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Krock » Wed Jul 11, 2018 09:16

Nutty8 wrote:What can I do to be a Minetest (Game or not) developer?

First of all, getting familiar with the core structure. The wiki provides some help but for the other parts you'll have to look into the source and follow the function call paths.
Afterwards there are 700-800 issues on GitHub, whereas some might only be a few changed lines to implement or fix (provided that the right code location is known). The graphical interface is just one part of many, so that isn't a problem.
See also: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl ... IBUTING.md

(Not really an) EDIT: C++ is the main language of Minetest aside the Lua code in builtin, so that works out perfectly. Indeed are most of the TODOs big projects which require much planning so that the pull requests stay reviewable (5000 new lines are hard to review btw). It is however possible to break up a bigger project into smaller portions: code refactors, API implementation + docs, final tidy and optimizations (+ bugfixes?).
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by cHyper » Wed Jul 11, 2018 16:37

Krock wrote:
Nutty8 wrote:What can I do to be a Minetest (Game or not) developer?

First of all, getting familiar with the core structure. The wiki provides some help but for the other parts you'll have to look into the source and follow the function call paths.
Afterwards there are 700-800 issues on GitHub, whereas some might only be a few changed lines to implement or fix (provided that the right code location is known). The graphical interface is just one part of many, so that isn't a problem.
See also: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl ... IBUTING.md

(Not really an) EDIT: C++ is the main language of Minetest aside the Lua code in builtin, so that works out perfectly. Indeed are most of the TODOs big projects which require much planning so that the pull requests stay reviewable (5000 new lines are hard to review btw). It is however possible to break up a bigger project into smaller portions: code refactors, API implementation + docs, final tidy and optimizations (+ bugfixes?).


same as Krock wrote.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by rubenwardy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 13:18

Updated the change log for 5.0.0-dev, it's long: https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog

(Still needs some cleaning up to remove similar things, and aim it more at end users)
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Andrey01 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 15:17

rubenwardy wrote:Updated the change log for 5.0.0-dev, it's long: https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog

(Still needs some cleaning up to remove similar things, and aim it more at end users)

Wow. Very big content for 5.0.0 :)

And when was 0.4.17.2 released? Just i noticed it on that wiki.
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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by PolySaken » Wed Aug 15, 2018 22:21

oh wow, If i want to support 5.0.0 I'll have to rewrite the entire code of ocular_networks
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by rubenwardy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 23:02

PolySaken wrote:oh wow, If i want to support 5.0.0 I'll have to rewrite the entire code of ocular_networks


I very much doubt this is the case
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by PolySaken » Thu Aug 16, 2018 01:05

rubenwardy wrote:
PolySaken wrote:oh wow, If i want to support 5.0.0 I'll have to rewrite the entire code of ocular_networks


I very much doubt this is the case

Yes, that was an exaggeration. However, player:get_attribute() and set_attribute are used many, many times. I would have to replace them all to use player:get_meta
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Linuxdirk » Wed Sep 12, 2018 07:49

PolySaken wrote:However, player:get_attribute() and set_attribute are used many, many times. I would have to replace them all to use player:get_meta

Better replace it with a custom wrapper that is used within your mod so you need to change this only once.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by sorcerykid » Thu Sep 13, 2018 03:59

Better replace it with a custom wrapper that is used within your mod so you need to change this only once.


How would something like that be accomplished? I was under the impression that userdata values cannot be modified, since they are not ordinary tables but rather metatables with C-bindings.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by PolySaken » Thu Sep 13, 2018 06:05

sorcerykid wrote:
Better replace it with a custom wrapper that is used within your mod so you need to change this only once.


How would something like that be accomplished? I was under the impression that userdata values cannot be modified, since they are not ordinary tables but rather metatables with C-bindings.


I believe, correct me if i'm wrong, that linuxdirk meant a Lua function like the following:
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function ocular_networks.set_player_attr(player, attr, val)
   player:set_attribute(attr, val) -- or player:get_meta():set_string(attr, val)
end

this would allow me to change it here and affect it everywhere.
However, as the code is already in place and using :set_attribute() I would still be replacing it all, but with something else.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Linuxdirk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 07:00

I usually do something like this in my mod's init files:

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modname = {}

modname.foo = function (whatever)
  -- add functionality here
end

And then I use this exclusively throughout the mod's code that I load via dofile() and then after everything was executed I do modname = nil to get rid of the global table.

Instead of mod specific stuff one can easily use this to wrap around Minetest API functions. I usually add some sprinkles to the vanilla functions.

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modname.set_attribute = function (player, attr, val)
    local modname = minetest.get_current_modname()
    player:set_attribute(modname..'_'..attr, val)
end

So it is automatically prefixed without having to provide the prefix all the time (can be done with getters, too.)

... and if you restrict yourself to this pattern you only have to change things in one place if the API changes.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by PolySaken » Thu Sep 13, 2018 09:16

Once 5.0.0 becomes the normal version to use I'll add all these failsafe thingies.
I was too short-sighted to do it earlier, and am to busy (lazy) to do it now.
 

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Re: Minetest 5.0.0 is on the road

by Linuxdirk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 09:29

PolySaken wrote:I was too short-sighted to do it earlier, and am to busy (lazy) to do it now.

This applies to 80 percent of Minetest development as well :D
 

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